Ukraine

[theGenius]

Was trying to find a photo of what happened in Odessa for y'all, found it in the artice below.
Didn't have time to read the whole article but the photo pretty much speaks for itself, and you can easily find dozens more.

If you don't feel like you want to see burnt people, don't click the link.

http://orientalreview.org/2014/05/0...aine-or-are-you-on-the-right-side-of-history/

Also, a question for EU citizens. Would you guys want to let a country with that kind of government in?
And another question for everyone. Would you wish to proclaim independence from people who burn your unarmed friends and family members alive?
Just be honest

@theGenius it's spelled svoboda, I guess. Means 'freedom'. Dunno what kind of freedom that is, though.

the problem is most people in the eu and especially in the U.S dont know about this since the word neo-nazi in connection with ukraine is a taboo for the main stream media it seems. however you would be suprised how many germans actully support the people in eastern ukraine, and feel that the german government is handling this wrong, polls f.ex. from der spiegel show that we are talking about more then 50% of germans here, and the other half prolly only has watched main stream media and doesnt really care. to confirm this, you need to go no further then a german mainstream news channel, and check the comments. as of now, there is not much people can do against the actions of the goverment, except maybe protest, but the vast majority is to lazy for that, i havent demonstrated neither i admit. and its questionable if it even would help if not millions turn up.[DOUBLEPOST=1400027970][/DOUBLEPOST]but i can guarantee you, that if the german public knew, that there are actully nazis sitting in the goverment, and that a nazi is in charge of the police military and national security, there would be mass protests! this is a very sensitive theme in germany, right now the avrage german acknowlidges that there were "some" right elements in the maidan protests. but that they were led by a nazi and that they are sitting in the goverment now, has yet to be brought to the publics attention, and i hope it gets thru.

 

[jasmine]

the American services have never hesitated to help fascist . see the history of some countries in south america . That does not surprise me!I agree with mike and genius when emphasize that we ( western block) totally misinformed about what is happening in Ukraine. it took a German newspaper to say that we know that mercenaries are a work in Ukraine. that belied all the Western embassies .about poutine I feel that the Russian do not like more than that ( the Russians have long since learned not to trust the power ) but they know very well face a dominating west it needs a strong power ! dare treat ukainien problem as they treat the Yugoslav problem was their biggest mistake . .when Pavlov proposed a federalisation of Ukraine was not answered him now is secession. ( more natural )I think the Russian sincerely had left politics of the Cold War but the anti Soviet feeling that reign the last century has left deep traces in the western world today does'nt know make the difference between russia and ussr
hoping that the conflict does'nt degenerate more

 

[theGenius]

so, its been a while since we had an update here,
since we posted last in this thread lots of stuff has been going on. rebels and kiev been fighting each other, 100´s of civilians have died in kiev´s shelling of the cities. and then ofcourse there is flight mh17. the U.S blames russia and the rebels yet refuses to release evidence:

russia so far has presented satelite images that show ukrainien jets near mh 17 and air missile systems in the area. the U.S so far has only presented claims. kiev has presented recorded dialogs between rebels about the shootdown and pictures of a buk ground to air system...conviniently 1 day after the shootdown of the plane. so u can pretty much chose what evidence you want to believe in until the investigation shows some results, then if the investigation is fair is another discussion, but sofar, to me, this smells like a false flag!
i always ask myself the question: who profits the most from it?


and the U.S and europe imposing new sanctions now based on allegations

i just dont wanna believe this shit!!

 

[jasmine]

Western and punish what they allow themselves since time immemorial: intervene outside their borders to protect their compatriots or when they feel their interests are threatened.
So it is forbidden to Russia to protect its interests and the Russians must remain within its borders.
However, according to the latest Obama's speech at West Point in late May, the United States for field intervention planet and space.
Is it not a hegemony?

 

[mousquet]

Little off-topic - today's sight to the Ukrainean's crisis from Russia. Maybe this is some cruel, but sems to be true:

 

[MikeK]

Lmao. Decided to watch that briefing a bit.
The girl who was translating everything into English said "according to our dates" instead of "data".
I literally fell off the chair
Not sure if she wishes to date the defense minister but that's the fail of the year.

 

[BluBirD78]

A false flag, kinda surprised to hear that on this forum lol, but I certainly agree that could be the case. In the past governments have used false flags to gain their agendas many times, why would they stop now? I believe that our government (USA) wants to go to war with Russia and they are provoking it in any way they can. The middle east and northern parts of Africa are in ruins now because of what America has done, we supposedly go in there to help but often it makes things worse. A good example would be Iraq, our gov went after him because he "had WMD's" and even though they found none they still got him and you know the rest, not to mention it was initially because of 9/11, which the so call "terrorists" came from Afghanistan not Iraq. Now look at that country, it's a shit hole just like Libya, did the same thing with Ghadaffi, but is it any better now than before?

My point is that America needs to stay the hell out of other countries that ARE going to go to war with each other with or without our help and concentrate on all the things that are going on here, a very good example would be more support for the veterans that have fought over seas because of all this bullshit, this his a soft spot for me and sorry for the language but that's what it is when these guys fight their lives for this country and our gov treats them like trash, pretty fked up IMO.

 

[DamageINC]

They fight for their lives for the GVMT's and mega corporations interests. They don't care about helping people here and fixing our infrastructure here because it doesn't benefit the powers that be. Manipulating countries and events around the world, does, as I'm sure you're aware of.

The United States is becoming a sad country. I think it's going to continue to the point of no return and become drastic. This country is drowning itself and very few seem to care.

 

[MikeK]

A false flag, kinda surprised to hear that on this forum lol, but I certainly agree that could be the case. In the past governments have used false flags to gain their agendas many times, why would they stop now? I believe that our government (USA) wants to go to war with Russia and they are provoking it in any way they can. The middle east and northern parts of Africa are in ruins now because of what America has done, we supposedly go in there to help but often it makes things worse. A good example would be Iraq, our gov went after him because he "had WMD's" and even though they found none they still got him and you know the rest, not to mention it was initially because of 9/11, which the so call "terrorists" came from Afghanistan not Iraq. Now look at that country, it's a shit hole just like Libya, did the same thing with Ghadaffi, but is it any better now than before?

My point is that America needs to stay the hell out of other countries that ARE going to go to war with each other with or without our help and concentrate on all the things that are going on here, a very good example would be more support for the veterans that have fought over seas because of all this bullshit, this his a soft spot for me and sorry for the language but that's what it is when these guys fight their lives for this country and our gov treats them like trash, pretty fked up IMO.

A war with Russia? That is highly unlikely to happen, IMO. Russia is not Iraq or Libia. And no one will be able to stay off of the war as several NATO countries and Russia and China are all nuclear-weapon states. I'm not certain what the precise number is, but it is enough to tear the planet apart several times = no winners.

What both governments are doing is again spending our tax money on military, and stealing some of the money. And making sure that as many people as possible will hate the other side because of the "100% uncontrolled and truthful" news and mass media to assure that people will be happy with the military expenditures.

They fight for their lives for the GVMT's and mega corporations interests. They don't care about helping people here and fixing our infrastructure here because it doesn't benefit the powers that be. Manipulating countries and events around the world, does, as I'm sure you're aware of.

The United States is becoming a sad country. I think it's going to continue to the point of no return and become drastic. This country is drowning itself and very few seem to care.

Sadly, too many countries, including Russia and the USA spend way to much money on the so-called "defense" needs instead of helping their own people, improving health care, science, helping the poor abroad. If I was to choose, and if there was such an option, I'd be all for uniting all countries into one, given that immigration is somehow limited both administratively and by improving the poor regions of the Earth. No racism or anything of the kind, just to make sure that there's not crazy population boom in already crouded cities like Moscow / NYC and no land is abandoned.

 

[Storky]

Murica is just power hungry and will try and do anything to stop Russia/China become more powerful.

 

[mousquet]

CNN has reported yesterday about tactical ballistic missiles launched by Ukraineans? The newrest information (non-CNN):
"Russian anti-air defense forces shot down three Tochka-U missiles. Two were sent to the crash site of the Boeing, the third on the Saur-Mogila mountain. Guard escort DNR (rebels) OSCE mission had terminated special group junta (Ukrainean) one hour before missiles were launched. Putin showed fangs and not just smiled.
Incidentally there infa clearly one of the Tochka-U missiles flew to Russia, it intercepted somewhere over Lugansk. This is very serious. Probably will look warheads of Tochka-U missiles to watch the filling."
Looks similar initiative of Ukraine. Unfortunately for Kiev, Americans had unlikely allowed this.
Also reported that Ukraine has about 50 Tochka-U missiles. At least 1/3 of them are in operable condition.

 

[MikeK]

Murica is just power hungry and will try and do anything to stop Russia/China become more powerful.

Unfortunately but at the same time unsurprisingly that only ends up a) increasing military budget of all those countries involved and b) causing problems for sanctioned business and their partners in the EU/USA and their employees.[DOUBLEPOST=1406728878][/DOUBLEPOST]

CNN has reported yesterday about tactical ballistic missiles launched by Ukraineans? The newrest information (non-CNN):
"Russian anti-air defense forces shot down three Tochka-U missiles. Two were sent to the crash site of the Boeing, the third on the Saur-Mogila mountain. Guard escort DNR (rebels) OSCE mission had terminated special group junta (Ukrainean) one hour before missiles were launched. Putin showed fangs and not just smiled.
Incidentally there infa clearly one of the Tochka-U missiles flew to Russia, it intercepted somewhere over Lugansk. This is very serious. Probably will look warheads of Tochka-U missiles to watch the filling."
Looks similar initiative of Ukraine. Unfortunately for Kiev, Americans had unlikely allowed this.

What is the source?

 

[mousquet]

Unfortunately but at the same time unsurprisingly that only ends up a) increasing military budget of all those countries involved and b) causing problems for sanctioned business and their partners in the EU/USA and their employees.[DOUBLEPOST=1406728878][/DOUBLEPOST]

What is the source?

Non-official, of course.

 

[MikeK]

Non-official, of course.

I mean what is your personal source, i.e. what newspaper, website etc.

 

[mousquet]

I mean what is your personal source, i.e. what newspaper, website etc.

http://rusvesna.su/

 

[MikeK]

http://rusvesna.su/

@ The domain.
".su" stands for Soviet Union

 

[mousquet]

(Off-topic) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.su[DOUBLEPOST=1406731346][/DOUBLEPOST]Presumable one of Tochka-U missiles shot down by Russian anti-air defense forces over Ukraine.
(Abusive language):

 

[MikeK]

Presumable one of Tochka-U missiles shot down by Russian anti-air defense forces over Ukraine.
(Abusive language):

"ass" was the most abusive word in the whole video
Such abusive, much offensive

How do they live in a town called "Khartzyzsk" ?
I spent like two minutes trying to spell it properly

 

[mousquet]

I hope, that was the edge of crisis. Want to believe...

 

[Rexz >:)]

Eu lifts the arms embargo on Ukraine, and the US wants to arm Ukraine's so called National Guard w/e