Ukraine

[TheDude]

As I mentioned before Russia had many other options on the table that didn't include annexing part of ukraine with military occupation.


Not a fan of how the USA has conducted itself either. The bush presidency was horrible. 2 wars with horrible economic impacts on us and horrible civilian casualties.

 

[theGenius]

NEWS UPDATE
after the geneva talks kiev still continues military "anti terrorist operations. althou a ceasfire was agreed on....

dude, i think you have a strong personal dislike for putin, and therefor dont want to reconize even if he does something good, or is right ones in a while.

 

[TheDude]

The anti-terrorist operations are just a reaction to the russian military occupation of parts of eastern ukraine.

Ukraine doesn't know what to do and is completely disorganized.

And yes, putin is a very bad thing for the world IMO. Whole thing could easily have been dealt with differently.

I find it odd that you condemn Obama and everything American but defend Putin so vigorously.

 

[MikeK]

As I mentioned before Russia had many other options on the table that didn't include annexing part of ukraine with military occupation.


Not a fan of how the USA has conducted itself either. The bush presidency was horrible. 2 wars with horrible economic impacts on us and horrible civilian casualties.

Crimean people are pretty happy, Russians are quite happy too (even despite the fact that a lot of money is going to be invested in the region in the next decade). Everybody is happy. TheDude is not.[DOUBLEPOST=1397777212][/DOUBLEPOST]

The anti-terrorist operations are just a reaction to the russian military occupation of parts of eastern ukraine.

military occupation of parts of eastern ukraine? which one? where?[DOUBLEPOST=1397777256][/DOUBLEPOST]

Whole thing could easily have been dealt with differently.

Quit your music, study international law and politics and save the world.

 

[theGenius]

oh, now its a russian military ocupation of eastern ukraine? i thought that wasnt what ment, as u stated earlier.

also, putin isnt so bad, people like him, and he has greatly improved russia. i actully wish germany had someone who is a bit like putin, someone who stands up to the way things are in todays world, stands up to the balance of power, stands up to the banks and fucked up foreign policies. the usa almost had such a president, ron paul, right before the media propaganda cheated him out of his possible presidency...

 

[TheDude]

Stands up to the balance of power is another way of saying has a disregard for the balance of power. Exactly what Obama and Bush get in trouble for.

Dude Ron Paul is obsessed with Ayn Rand. Someone LIKE ron paul would be nice. Independent of the huge friggin Republican and Democratic parties.

USA has a lot of work to do.

Only time will tell for all this stuff. Okay, hopefully all of this results in better western-russian relations, the people of ukraine will all be happy, and democracy will prevail, human rights will be salvaged, and poverty will be reduced.

But idk.[DOUBLEPOST=1397825975][/DOUBLEPOST]

Crimean people are pretty happy, Russians are quite happy too (even despite the fact that a lot of money is going to be invested in the region in the next decade). Everybody is happy. TheDude is not.[DOUBLEPOST=1397777212][/DOUBLEPOST]
military occupation of parts of eastern ukraine? which one? where?[DOUBLEPOST=1397777256][/DOUBLEPOST]

Quit your music, study international law and politics and save the world.

I get what you're saying and you're right.

My apologies.

I should be more open-minded.

 

[WaLLy]

 

[mousquet]

"We are not going to carry out the Victory Day's parade in Kiev" - "So we can to carry out"

 

[jasmine]

U.S. opened Pandora's box by financing and supporting the protest against the rogue president, to install another rogue president but their would be favorable. They now feel offended because the Russians do not allow themselves operate as children. . The only fault of Putin's it's Khodokorvsky imprisonment

 

[theGenius]

!!!UPDATE!!!

straight forward in english, no emty political rethoric, down to earth explaination of the situation and the russian point of view. well spoken mr. Lavrov!

 

[MikeK]

"We are not going to carry out the Victory Day's parade in Kiev" - "So we can to carry out"

More like "then WE will"

 

[theGenius]

update!

ayfkm?? so u cant prove russia is involves yet you say russia do this or more sanctions???
what if the local major in eastern ukraine actully isnt a puppet? and wont take direct orders from russia?
also russia not upholding their part of geneva agreement? how did russia brake it? again they assume russia can speak for the east of ukraine, u did not invite the local politicians to the talks DUH! once again, what if russia actully doesnt have that influence? also, what about kiev agreement to a ceasfire that they broke, and the right wing militias?

are they trying to beat a confession out of russia, instead of getting credible evidence? its like they want it to be true so hard they are not even open to the idea that it might not be russia after all. i had my dose of ignorance for today, thx kerry.
i smell more trouble

 

[HIBred]

 

[theGenius]

ex-german chancellor Schröder just clebrated his 70th birthday together with putin, Merkel is sooo butthurt about it.
entire german media condemming him as not "representing" germany well: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...-mit-putin-geburtstag-kommentar-a-966663.html.
i think he represents germany just perfectly, representing the thousands of unheard german voices that oppose the actions by their goverment, ignored by the media, but found everywhere there is a discussion about the ukraine. its good that russians can see that not everyone blindly supports the anti russian sentiment, makes me hope for future friendly realtions with our big neighbor.

hat of to you mr.Schröder, you definitely represent me


aww, i wish he still was chancellor, i bet this entire crisis would have never happend if he was office!

 

[Storky]

ex-german chancellor Schröder just clebrated his 70th birthday together with putin, Merkel is sooo butthurt about it.
entire german media condemming him as not "representing" germany well: http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deuts...-mit-putin-geburtstag-kommentar-a-966663.html.
i think he represents germany just perfectly, representing the thousands of unheard german voices that oppose the actions by their goverment, ignored by the media, but found everywhere there is a discussion about the ukraine. its good that russians can see that not everyone blindly supports the anti russian sentiment, makes me hope for future friendly realtions with our big neighbor.

hat of to you mr.Schröder, you definitely represent me


aww, i wish he still was chancellor, i bet this entire crisis would have never happend if he was office!

lol how would Schroder being Chancellor for Germany stop Ukraine from having a revolution?

 

[theGenius]

lol how would Schroder being Chancellor for Germany stop Ukraine from having a revolution?

thats not the crisis i ment, i ment the crisis in eastern ukraine and the tensions between russia and the west, he would have never sactioned russia or some stupid shit like that, and then the rest of the eu wouldnt have neither, wich would make things develope differtly and contribute to a better east-west realation or atleast a better eu-russia relation.
also, the eu was a big part of supporting the maidan coup, the eu would not have supported the coup if germany wasnt playing along, and without the eu you couldnt have fooled the maidan protesters with promisis of the eu taking care of them ever after and saving their economy. and if it wouldnt have prevented the coup it might atleast delayed it for some time, not only would elections have been held anyway in beginning of 2015(in ukraine), but many also belive he(yanukovich) would have stepped down anyway because of the massive corruptionproblem. so yeah, i belive things would have turned out very differntly.
to put it in short: Schröder was not a U.S puppet, and he would have stood his ground on the ukrainien crisis and put german and european interests first, just like he stood his ground during the iraqwar when bush came asking for german troops and support, nope not having it. but with merkel in office, oh afgahnistan u say...how can we be to your service mr.bush?[DOUBLEPOST=1398965553,1398774846][/DOUBLEPOST]it gets better:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...erkel-aide-attended-Vladimir-Putin-party.html

 

[MikeK]

Lmao!

 

[jasmine]

I agree entirely with you. I would add that the problem of the EU is NATO U.S. interests have to do with those nothing of EU
EU has a lot to lose by blindly following the NATO and U.S.

 

[theGenius]

so, lets have another update here:
-donetsk and lughansk have held a referendum on independence and now consider themselves contries.

-kiev continues with military "anti terrorist operations", several civilians have been shot in cities of eastern ukraine by kievs tanks.

-pro-russia activists have re-captured some posts that kiev conquered.

-some 400 U.S. mercenarys from the company greystone (formerly blackwater) have been reported operating in ukraine now. (i was actully quite suprised reading about this in several german main stream media outlets dispite the one sided reporting) apperently the ukrainien army wouldnt shoot at their people as seen in previous attermpts to drive out the activists.

- some 40 pro russian activists (not the one with guns) were burned alive in a statebuilding of odessa by far right supporters.

-anti jew leavlet is confirmed to have been a fraud, and has not been enforced ones.


i have also looked deeper into the claims of neo nazis in the new kiev goverment. and what i found was quite shocking:

apperently the person (Andriy Parubiy) in charge of police, military and state security is the cofounder of the far right svaboda party. in other words, hes the guy in charge of running the "anti terrorist" operation

he is also the one leading the maidan protests: http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andriy_Parubiy

the leader of the svaboda party (Oleh Tyahnybok) who has called for i quote "jews, russians, germans and other subhumans to be shot" is seen here together with the ukrainien pm, U.S Nuland and McCain:
http/www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554
http/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleh_Tyahnybok

also the governor of the kherson region held a speech on the 9th of maj (the victory over nazigermany, a holy day in the entire ex-sovjetunion) saying that the nazis and hitler infact were liberating the region, as u can imagin this sparked massive outrage.
just imagin a us governor praising 9/11 calling bin ladin a liberator.

in the ukrainien goverment, a opposition party called him out on it, and also opposes the "anti terrorist operation" in the east of ukraine.
after that the president of ukraine (Oleksandr Turchynov) said he would seek to ban his party for "supporting terrorists".
the leader of svaboda i mentioned before (Oleh Tynahnybok) said he would find the evidence to make it happen.

i first thought this neo nazi stuff was beefed up by moscow for the sake of anti kiev propaganda, but it seems there is quite a bit of meet to it after all. and there are alot more neo nazi elemets in the new goverment, this was just a sample.
i find the fact that U.S and eu cooperates with these people disgusting. but the most amazing part is how this has been silenced in the main stream media.
not to mention the most likely candidate for the elections the 25th (julia timochenko) who was recorded saying russians should be killed etc

and after all that people are still clinging firm to the claim that its all moscow feuling the hate towards kiev in the east, still they cant understand why normal people in the east wouldnt like the new goverment, and more sactions against russia are on the way
...i am truly stunned!

 

[MikeK]

Was trying to find a photo of what happened in Odessa for y'all, found it in the artice below.
Didn't have time to read the whole article but the photo pretty much speaks for itself, and you can easily find dozens more.

If you don't feel like you want to see burnt people, don't click the link.

http://orientalreview.org/2014/05/0...aine-or-are-you-on-the-right-side-of-history/

Also, a question for EU citizens. Would you guys want to let a country with that kind of government in?
And another question for everyone. Would you wish to proclaim independence from people who burn your unarmed friends and family members alive?
Just be honest

@theGenius it's spelled svoboda, I guess. Means 'freedom'. Dunno what kind of freedom that is, though.