lol, the troops kiev sent to crush protests in donetsk now sided with donetsk saying they wont raise arms against the people, stormed police hq, handed out guns to pro russia protesters and said they will help the people defend the peoples republic of donetsk. fail kiev
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kiev now doing "anti terrorist" mission, sendin in tanks, jets and gunship to crush eastern ukrainien protesters. this new goverment should be fucking jailed, remember how u came to power? damn hypocirites are on a good way to start a civil war and an international disaster.
imagin janukovitch doing this against maidan protesters. "omg what a dictator, using military against his people, quick airstrick bomb him like gaddafi"
also on a related note.
OMFG: RUSSIAN JET OVERFLEW U.S. WARSHIP IN THE BLACK SEA CLOSE TO CRIMEA. ALL OVER THE NEWS.
just read that on german spiegel news. 90% of the comments: ah thx for informing us there is a U.S WARSHIP in the black sea close to crimea, we didnt get that kind of information before, U.S warship some 15000km away from home yet russia the agressor, u americans sure have a good sence of humor. putin sure isnt stupid.
the other way around: what if russia moved a destroyer ship in the mexican gulf doing" military training with cuba"? U.S goverment would be shittin kittens like crazy.
pls, no war in europe!
imagin janukovitch doing this against maidan protesters. "omg what a dictator, using military against his people, quick airstrick bomb him like gaddafi"
also on a related note.
OMFG: RUSSIAN JET OVERFLEW U.S. WARSHIP IN THE BLACK SEA CLOSE TO CRIMEA. ALL OVER THE NEWS.
just read that on german spiegel news. 90% of the comments: ah thx for informing us there is a U.S WARSHIP in the black sea close to crimea, we didnt get that kind of information before, U.S warship some 15000km away from home yet russia the agressor, u americans sure have a good sence of humor. putin sure isnt stupid.
the other way around: what if russia moved a destroyer ship in the mexican gulf doing" military training with cuba"? U.S goverment would be shittin kittens like crazy.
pls, no war in europe!
generally i would say many americans have a good sence of humorYou Americans, or the media?
, however, as i said, in this case it was comments on a german newspaige, where people generally simplify as americans, im sure they ment the media tho.[DOUBLEPOST=1397641553][/DOUBLEPOST]sry, also the pentagon was ment, they came out with the statement "provocative move"
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NEWS UPDATE: now the second wave of "anti terrorist" unit sent by kiev to crush the protests arrived, now some 6 tanks defected and are now with the pro-russian protesters flying the russian flag, parading in the city center. prolly paid for by russia as well, lol. kievs military defecting to the "terrorists"... priceless. there is hope for peace after all, my deepest respect for those soldiers.[DOUBLEPOST=1397643692][/DOUBLEPOST]also, the facial expression of the cnn reporter: uhm, the ukrainien tanks now seem to be flying russian flags and be in the hands of the protesters. absolutly priceless
[DOUBLEPOST=1397645066][/DOUBLEPOST]LMFAO cnn now start to slowly admid: the protesters now seem "slightly" more local. SLIGHTLY, yeah way to go, ease into it
[DOUBLEPOST=1397645066][/DOUBLEPOST]LMFAO cnn now start to slowly admid: the protesters now seem "slightly" more local. SLIGHTLY, yeah way to go, ease into it
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Yeah? And how long until Transnistria decides to try and break away from Moldova? That would be sure to drag Moldova and possibly Romania in to this mess as well.
They shouldn't just let these protesters get away with whatever they want. If you were the leader of a country and a foreign nation was supporting rebellion in your country to make it easier for their conquest, I bet you would send in the tanks as well.
They shouldn't just let these protesters get away with whatever they want. If you were the leader of a country and a foreign nation was supporting rebellion in your country to make it easier for their conquest, I bet you would send in the tanks as well.
1. transnistria hasnt been controlled by moldova since it existed lol.
2. if "I"was a leader of a contry and just unelected got to power by the support of a foreign nation in a coup, i wouldnt bark to loud.
3. these people have a legit cause and sending in the army crush them isnt really the way to go. and with now already the second wave of military kiev sent defecting to the protesters, that should give u taste of what the mood is like on the ground.
4. there is no evidence of russias involvment in eastern ukraine ( not talking about crimea) these masked man they call russian soldiern in the media can just aswell be the berkut police or defected military (im not ruling out that some of them "could" be russian). as i said, even western media starts to admit that this maybe is rather local.
5. international law states people have the right to self determination, not contry´s, PEOPLE. the people of f.ex. donetsk are people.
6. also, they want to hold a referendum, not brake away by force. its a right that shouldnt be denied.
No evidence? Bro, there are pictures of soldiers in eastern Ukraine with the same uniforms as in Crimea.
No pics here, but info.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...protesters-wind-up-tension-in-eastern-ukraine
To actually think that it is in no way supported by Russia is just as blind as thinking the West didn't support the first protests in Kiev.
No pics here, but info.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...protesters-wind-up-tension-in-eastern-ukraine
To actually think that it is in no way supported by Russia is just as blind as thinking the West didn't support the first protests in Kiev.
i clearly stated that i dont rule out russian involvment, but to say its the same guys as in crimea is just wrong, in crimea there were hundreds of russian soldiers along with amored personal carriers gunships and etc. patroling all of crimea.
so far i havent seen more then 5 or 6 of them in one picture at the same time in the other eastern regions in ukraine, the scale is just extremly different. and equipment and uniforms dont necesarily mean russian soldiers. as i said, among the protesters there are ukrainien army defectors along with the berkut police, wich both have proffesional training.
once again, im not ruling it out, but this is far from a crimea scenario.[DOUBLEPOST=1397655947][/DOUBLEPOST]btw. not even vice news managed to find these russian soldiers in their latest video. they only found locals, and vice is really nosy and out to prove russias involvment
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Ukraine definitely has talent! 
1. Secession is not what they ask for, it's federalization of the country.
2. For some reason Yanukovich did not send tanks and the riot police was not allowed to shoot even rubber bullets for months.
3. How can you state that Russia is supporting the protest after american and EU officials were openly supporting the protests in Kiev?[DOUBLEPOST=1397666730][/DOUBLEPOST]
Well, not really. There is a right to self-determination but it does not mean that peopleS can break away, neither by referendum, nor by force.
Actually, it's the right to self-determination INSIDE a country. But under that right they do have a right to be an autonomous region.
And please, don't tell me that Crimea was annexed illegally, I know that. I also know that NATO operation in Serbia and most other opertaions are illegal.[DOUBLEPOST=1397666897][/DOUBLEPOST]Also, Russian uniform doesn't really mean anything. All Ukrainian military is either Soviet of Russian, lmao[DOUBLEPOST=1397668610][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh. The Constitution of Ukrain.
Art. 17:
4. The Armed Forces of Ukraine and other military formations may not be used by anyone to restrict the rights and freedoms of citizens...
6. Establishment and operation of any armed formations not envisaged by law are prohibited in the territory of Ukraine.
Wonder if the current government ever read their own constitution.
Probably not, because they don't even know the difference between Swiss and Danish flags
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ok this is starting to get confusing ...can you guys simplify for me?
like by area/current ruling power/who supports them..
from what I can glean it's something like this:
Crimea: Russian ruled now(by invasion or vote?) name of current president?
Ukraine: used to be Yanukovich..now Yuschenko? supported by whom?
protesters...supported by whom?
like by area/current ruling power/who supports them..
from what I can glean it's something like this:
Crimea: Russian ruled now(by invasion or vote?) name of current president?
Ukraine: used to be Yanukovich..now Yuschenko? supported by whom?
protesters...supported by whom?