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TheDude

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The media isn't keeping quiet about it. Maybe large media. They don't know how to effectively report on stuff like this. They ned to know how the public reacts before they report.

NPR is covering it hourly.


All I have to say is that this whole scenario demonstrates the hypocrisies of Putin.
The rest of the world is a bunch of leaders. They are not all owned. It doesn't boil down as easily.
Obama I don't think really knows what to do. Also, Obama faces the problem that he doesn't have any control over congress, and they are entirely uncooperative with anything he wants to do, even if it would be highly beneficial to the USA. Sometimes especially because it would be beneficial.
 
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@Gage i never said it is russia pushing for a war with the eu, pls read my long post and you will understand, as i said, russia and eu are neighbors after all. this is about nato expansion and forcing a growing russia in its knees prematurly. so far the U.S sanctions hasnt done shit to russia, as u mentioned it could start a trade war, so no "real" sanctions have been imposed.
and there was defenetly a big risk of war there, imagin ukraine had used military against the people in donetsk, russia would have jumped in, followed by nato. and then u have a standoff. 1 false flag attack and off it goes, could be done by extremist, or even alquaida, who would profit from global unrest and seek to emerge from the chaos.

so however, as the deadline set by kiev passed, the soldiers refused to storm donetsk, anf the authoritys in kiev now say reginal referendums are legal after all.

i am more then pleased with this turnout. sure dodged the bullet there, big respect to those soldiers.
 
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Putin's a fucking maniac. Russia would get "rekt" in any war with NATO

Oh but he's so great because he's an outdoor man and loves animals.


Although, he has old man boobies.
 
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I guess this has to do with Ukraine only in relation to the sudden surge of Russian patriotism we are seeing (IMO it's caused by some heavy propaganda). A group of Russian lawmakers (5, two Putin supporters) want to open an investigation on Mikhail Gorbachev on grounds of treason over the breakup of the USSR...

People saying they are trying to rebuild the USSR, and now it doesn't look too far fetched. The big issue is that it would probably cause WW3.

I've hear a few say that in the USSR people had plenty of money. This may be true, because here in Romania people had plenty of money under communism... the issue was that they had almost nothing to buy with that money. They could hardly buy food because there was none.
 
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TheDude said:
Putin's a fucking maniac. Russia would get "rekt" in any war with NATO

Oh but he's so great because he's an outdoor man and loves animals.
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oh pls, "russia would get rekt" "russia has no chance" are you really on that level argumentation. you seem to forget what a nuclear war is all about: mutual destruction. no winners.

also @Gage, remember how "unlikly" a ww2 seemed so short after ww1? how alien the idea was to people. no one in their wildest fantasy could have imagined what was about to come. yet all hell broke out. world wars dont come because they are predictable. and sofar humanity hasnt managed a fucking decade without war, so i wouldnt be so sure that we all are so "safe" in our new modern world.
but as i said, things seem calmed down for now, exept in kharkov.
 
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@theGenius : youve heard of MAD right? Aint never gonna happen .......... Unless there was some loony bastard at one end or the other...........
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yes i heard of it, mutual assured destruction, matter fact i mentioned it 2 comments above yours. do u people even read comments before you reply?
also, i dont think this is gonna spark ww3 or a nuclear war, im saying it could spark a civil war in ukraine and a more sirious situation could develop from that. but again things have calmed down in eastern ukraine now.
 
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BuckRogers said:
Genius: no need for the high and mighty attitude - get over yourself
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mighty attitude? sorry if you perceived it that way, however i dont see how my comment displays an attitude when i simply explaine my position and point out that you seem to have missunderstood or not read my posts. no attidue towards you on my part sir.
 
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theGenius said:
you seem to forget what a nuclear war is all about: mutual destruction. no winners.
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That's quite true.
Although I don't think that WW3 is any little bit likely or even possible at all, @Gage stating that Russian won't be able to fund the war is not right, IMO.
Hypothetically, Russia is able to exist under any sanctions (on a very low level of personal living quality, though) but you need to understand the nation. Napoleon burned Moscow to the ground, Saint Petersburg was seiged for almost 900 days, people were eating their dead family members to survive but the city still didn't surrender. You don't need to pay Russians to defend the country like in the US, and Russia is not France to give up before the war starts. To win a war against Russia any country would need to kill all 150 million people, what sound rather unreal. And well, as was already mentioned, WW3 means nuclear war and nuclear war means no winners. It's possible to crack the Earth 10 times with the ammount of nuclar weapons we (all the countries on the planet) have. Whoever starts the war commits suicide, kills his own nation and everyone else, including penguins and white bears on the poles.

To be honest, I don't understand the point of NATO-Russia rivalry and policies.
I'd be quite happy if the countries were in alliance for the economical and military benefit of every single NATO member State, Russia and all the nations.
 
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oh pls, "russia would get rekt" "russia has no chance" are you really on that level argumentation. .
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What does that even mean?
And then you proceed to talk about mutual destruction. Which is exactly what I was talking about.

Donnie you are out of your element.
 
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hello
Like it or not ukraine part of the zone of influence Russe.l history and geography are there to prove it. a war between eu, us vs russia very very improbale.
@ cage sorry but do not underestimate the Russian power again history has proven, but I agree with you if a war breaks out it will be the last (nuclear).
russia of today is not the 1990. it is very rich. and think we afffame little people made me laugh already. do not stay on stereotypes of the Cold War 20 years are passing.
russia does not seek war but rather peace with its European neighbor who both have great interest in common.
Ukrainians in their interests should turn to Russia and other former Soviet republic.
the West has killed the ogre Soviet but forget that stood behind the Russian bear!
and this bear is out of hibernation.:puppet:
 
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TheDude

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No Putin is deffo on a mission of imperialism and expansionism.

If Bush were elected a third term and making more wars, I'd be against him, too.
 
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@TheDude i wrote that because you and gage seemed to display this like a conventional war without nuclear weapons, were number of troops means superiority.
however i see now that i might have misinterpreted your post and given a hasty and irrelevant reply.

to your latest comment, how can you still blame putin for this? nato has step by step surrounded russia with bases, russia was hosting the olympics while the coup in kiev happend, they never asked for this. and now its russias fault that like half of ukraine hates the guts out of the coupimposed goverment wich they had no say in? it might very well be possible that russia prevented a ukrainien civil war with its troops in crimea. and thruout this crisis the U.S goverment has presented nothing but ignorance, double standarts and hypocracy. a civil war in ukraine would create a masssive unrest along russias borders and russias gasexports come to a standstill, on top of that the eu is forced to pick sides and find alternative gas. all of wich is in the intrest of the U.S to weaken russia. and non of it is in the interest of russia ukraine or the eu. i dont see how this can get more obvious, the U.S is poking a stick in a hornets nest from safety overseas while europe will pay the price, that includes russia. russia certainly not the agressor here.
 
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very interesting Storky (domino effect)
Now poutine was actually the cards in hand. has the slightest error of "power" Ukrainian nothing shall prevent the act. I think the partition of Ukraine is aquired. was that the deal between poutine and obama. henceforth the lot bachar syria is a very likely case resolu.iran has only to behave themselves or else ...[DOUBLEPOST=1397333100][/DOUBLEPOST]
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