You guys are completely missing the point of the Olympics
Sochi Olympics Thread
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@theGenius But the government can be blamed for not punishing the people who beat up gays and upload videos in which they beat up and humiliate gays. I saw a video of human rights watch where a gay man said that he was beaten up because he was gay and he went to the police to file a charge and the policemen said: it´s alright because you are gay. no need to make charges.
But this is something political, where our governments should take more responsibility.
I thought a long time about whether I should watch the Olympic Games or not but I came to the conclusion, that these games are about achievements in sport, about bringing people from other countries together and having a fair and peaceful event.
And as Infinity said: we can´t blame the athletes.
Maybe this could also be a possibility to show the (russian) people that acceptance and tolerance can exceed over the time the Olympics take place.
But this is something political, where our governments should take more responsibility.
I thought a long time about whether I should watch the Olympic Games or not but I came to the conclusion, that these games are about achievements in sport, about bringing people from other countries together and having a fair and peaceful event.
And as Infinity said: we can´t blame the athletes.
Maybe this could also be a possibility to show the (russian) people that acceptance and tolerance can exceed over the time the Olympics take place.
yeah oh, i guess he had bad luck and ran into a cop who doesnt like gays, but this is still crime and not the goverments fault. now thing is in most of the cases they dont report it because they are ashamed to go puplic with it, for obvious reasons. its just like rape in the u.s, do you blame the us goverment for women being raped in the u.s? but that ofcourse is a "COMPLETLY" different story right, after all we not talking about russia.
All these people trying to make political statements during the Olympics are morons. The Olympics are about nations coming together and competing in good sportsmanship regardless of political differences.
I have not watched any of this years Olympic events yet. I'm not really into the skating and hockey stuff but I heard that the Japanese figure skaters performed to music from Shogun 2
. I usually watch the skiing events and bobsledding though.
Edit: This is the song they used.
I have not watched any of this years Olympic events yet. I'm not really into the skating and hockey stuff but I heard that the Japanese figure skaters performed to music from Shogun 2
. I usually watch the skiing events and bobsledding though.Edit: This is the song they used.
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i dont think so, its obvious that there are some anti gay feelings in russia, and in a free contry people should be allowed to express their opinions, and if a majority doesnt like gays well then thats a democratic decision. if the goverment doesnt react to those feelings it would just spark even more violence since people think the goverment isnt listening, violence against gays happend before this law aswell. so i think this law rather reduces the violence. besides i dont think its a bad law, i dont have a single problem with gays, you can do in your bedroom wtf you want that is non of my buisness, but neither do you have to promote homosexuality, especially not in the way we do it in western europe, especially sweden. gay parades with people having dildos clued to their face´n shit CMON thats not necessary!Well okay I don´t say you are completely wrong but this law and the goverment support the anti-gay atmoshpere.
I have several other things about that topic in my mind but this thread should be about the sport event
I haven't watched the video or read the other comments yet. But you have to realize that it is both: a ski and a seaside resort. I've never been to Sochi but it is a unique place. You can do skiing in the morning and windsurfing in the afternoon.[DOUBLEPOST=1391981551][/DOUBLEPOST]
The music for the Russian Olympic Team at the opening ceremony is a remixed track originally made by two lesbians. Suck it Chris.
On a serious note, why do you care that much? Russia didn't really ban anything, if you do care, read the original law, not some tabloids.[DOUBLEPOST=1391981983][/DOUBLEPOST]
Not even propoganda in general. It's about propoganda for underaged kids.
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I don't care for Russia's stance on things like gay rights, but really, boycotting the Olympics isn't going to punish anyone but me, because I'm the one missing out. And NBC. I'm not sure that not watching would affect the host country much.
The athletes don't choose where they go, the corrupted IOC does. I watch for the athletes, who i have a ton of admiration for. They participate in many sports that don't get a lot of attention paid to them. They put in 1000's of hours of work to have one shot at a medal. 1000's of hours of work that sometimes comes down to two minutes of competition.
People can take away a lot of good lessons from these athletes. Dedication, perseverance, overcoming adversity, learning from your failures etc. Sport is a great teacher of life lessons.
1.2 billion people in China. 66 made the Olympics.
350 million or so in the USA. 230 (i think) made the Olympics. That is pretty awesome, and i for one don't let some bigoted, small minded idiots ruin that experience for me.
If people want to sit in a corner pouting about others who are different and justifying their bigotry, i'll point the way to it. Enjoy your corner! I'll be enjoying the games.
The athletes don't choose where they go, the corrupted IOC does. I watch for the athletes, who i have a ton of admiration for. They participate in many sports that don't get a lot of attention paid to them. They put in 1000's of hours of work to have one shot at a medal. 1000's of hours of work that sometimes comes down to two minutes of competition.
People can take away a lot of good lessons from these athletes. Dedication, perseverance, overcoming adversity, learning from your failures etc. Sport is a great teacher of life lessons.
1.2 billion people in China. 66 made the Olympics.
350 million or so in the USA. 230 (i think) made the Olympics. That is pretty awesome, and i for one don't let some bigoted, small minded idiots ruin that experience for me.
If people want to sit in a corner pouting about others who are different and justifying their bigotry, i'll point the way to it. Enjoy your corner! I'll be enjoying the games.
Not really. Modern democracy means, first of all, equality.
@Everyone. [Im not blaming religion or anything, that's just how it works here]
Some people in Russia (especially muslims, orthodox christians and rustic idiots beliving in the idea of old pre-soviet Russia as a monarchy and an empire who are normally orthodox christians too) do hate gays and all related stuff. They even use word "gay" as an insult. One of the main reasons is that the official church does not support gay movements. Normal political meetings including pro-Putin ones are limited to certain areas where they don't disturbe other people too much.
Those (haters) are a MINORITY in Moscow and other big cities, I'd say %15 to %25 of people. Probably about 60% or more just don't care as long as gay walkings and meetings don't disturbe their sleep, routes to work and stuff. Others support gay communities and/or are gay themselves.
If you move to the countryside and smaller towns, shit gets worse because there are more orthodox christians, idiots and christian idiots alltogether. If you move to the southern part, shit gets worse because there are lots of muslims (and some islam countries have death penalty just for being gay).
Again, I'm not speaking about religion right now, that's just the way it works. 90% of people who regularly go to church in Russia hate gay people. No idea why they do both of the above. Probably, they can't think on their own.
The last fact. Russian minister of culture is gay, a number of well-known AND popular people on TV are gay, quite a lot of other well-known people related to mass media and theaters are gay and the list goes on.
P.S. if you found some video of a beaten gay on youtube or read some tabloid and think that everything else is just the same, I suggest that you search "KKK, USA" on youtube. If one group of idiots for you is a reason to judge the whole country with population of 150 mln people, the USA should have never held any Olympics, because they didn't ban KKK. Also, I beg you to never watch Super Bowl and any other games taking place in America. I also beg you to boycott german football premier league because they had Hitler and all French athletes because they have anti-gay meetings. Italian prime minister had sex with an underaged girl. Lastly, the USA were spying on people and violating their rights including their allies like Merkel and thousands of regular americans - never ever watch any single american sport or athlete.
Guess that ^ sounds ridiculous, doesn't it? Politcs are politics, politicians will always be politicians.
Just enjoy the damn games.
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For me I can say, i don´t judge the whole country (that would be very stupid, then i could also say every german is a nazi because they are still existing here ).
One last thing @theGenius (then I won´t write anything more concerning that topic):
I always find it interesting that people say, they don´t care what gay ppl do in their bedroom but they don´t want them to show that they are gay in public. I´m asking myself why gay people shouldn´t hold hands or kiss in public like straight people do all the time. Don´t know how this is "promoting homosexuality" or "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations.".it´s not like a kid sees a gay couple and decides to "become" homosexual.
).One last thing @theGenius (then I won´t write anything more concerning that topic):
I always find it interesting that people say, they don´t care what gay ppl do in their bedroom but they don´t want them to show that they are gay in public. I´m asking myself why gay people shouldn´t hold hands or kiss in public like straight people do all the time. Don´t know how this is "promoting homosexuality" or "propaganda of non-traditional sexual relations.".it´s not like a kid sees a gay couple and decides to "become" homosexual.
That is not propoganda, nor it is banned, lmao.
Not that you could expect anyting else from mass-media.[DOUBLEPOST=1391986353][/DOUBLEPOST]Just to clarify the idea of 'ban on propoganda'.
I would translate the original definition of propoganda that way:
and this is only related to kids.
@Deluxx3 can see the original text in Russian and confirm the translation:
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In America, there are a lot of people who live in poorer areas or who are ''rustic,'' who hate gay people. They preach extremely conservative (in this case, reactionary) ideology, and in the most case, their rhetoric boils down to being dogma. This means, from a reactionary standpoint, this is what they argue because they are supposed to because they have taken that role in society. Irrational and reactionary.
To say that these "rustic" people are stupid and evil because of where they live or what their religion is would be deemed bigoted in America (to say so without an actual study), and from the person who just told me I'm ignorant because I read "the tabloids," I would find making that label quite hypocritical.
The issue is HUGE. It would take many people a lifetime of scholarly work to completely dissect this issue in the public forum, in an credible manner.
Like, for instance, the idea of someone being "underage," for which the very term is worthy of huge debate. Or like the idea that these "underage" kids are being somehow brainwashed (if you don't like the term brainwashed, we can use the term ''influenced") by pro-gay propaganda.
So, to keep it simple, and from my simple-minded point of view, I can only generalize as best I can.
My stance (thus the screw you putin), is that all children are indoctrinated into society, and all are brainwashed. In my belief system, I call this "teaching." How you brainwash the children of your society, and what you brainwash them with (substitute "teach" for brainwash) is probably the most crucial thing to how the society turns out.
My disagreement with the law about said propaganda comes from my belief that teaching children that it is okay to be homosexual, that being homosexual does not detract in any way from your worth as a human being, that being homosexual does not in ANY way mean that you can't achieve more and give more back to society than ANY straight person, and that society will accept them either way is *not at all propaganda*, at any age. My belief is that teaching otherwise will only be to the detriment of society, and will possibly prevent the enlightenment/self-actualization of the generation.
Also, to put this in context... Laws are craftily worded. They are worded as such to give certain people power and take power away from others. How a law is used and "read" can drastically affect the people who live under it. People train to doctoral levels just in DICTION pertaining to law.In conjunction with these laws are the power players, who take greatly into account how the mass media will play the decisions. Just look at the diction of that law.....
My point is, call it what you want. You teach your kids one way or the other. If I were in Russia, I'd be on the side of the other, on this matter.
To finish, both of our countries are full of mass media propaganda. Fox News, MSNBC in the USA. CNN. Those are just the outlets. People craft what they release and how they release it to the press.
People even listen to and actually agree with and support Rush Limbaugh in my country. That should say a lot.
However, we don't ban the views of outspoken individuals in our country. It doesn't matter if they reach a lot of viewers.
BTW, the KKK is heavily under watch at all times in terms of any public events. Everyone I have ever met in America hates the KKK. We don't ban free speech. Nor do we ban the attempts of low-lives and stupid, misguided people in the KKK to distribute pamphlets and "propaganda." They have the right to distribute as much stupid nonsense as they want.
All nations rules by an elite "intellectual" group die fall. The great leaders must be chosen by the populous. They must seek the betterment of the populous. The populous must be educated. There can be no secret elite. It just doesn't work. You can't have just "the best and brightest" pick themselves.
To say that these "rustic" people are stupid and evil because of where they live or what their religion is would be deemed bigoted in America (to say so without an actual study), and from the person who just told me I'm ignorant because I read "the tabloids," I would find making that label quite hypocritical.
The issue is HUGE. It would take many people a lifetime of scholarly work to completely dissect this issue in the public forum, in an credible manner.
Like, for instance, the idea of someone being "underage," for which the very term is worthy of huge debate. Or like the idea that these "underage" kids are being somehow brainwashed (if you don't like the term brainwashed, we can use the term ''influenced") by pro-gay propaganda.
So, to keep it simple, and from my simple-minded point of view, I can only generalize as best I can.
My stance (thus the screw you putin), is that all children are indoctrinated into society, and all are brainwashed. In my belief system, I call this "teaching." How you brainwash the children of your society, and what you brainwash them with (substitute "teach" for brainwash) is probably the most crucial thing to how the society turns out.
My disagreement with the law about said propaganda comes from my belief that teaching children that it is okay to be homosexual, that being homosexual does not detract in any way from your worth as a human being, that being homosexual does not in ANY way mean that you can't achieve more and give more back to society than ANY straight person, and that society will accept them either way is *not at all propaganda*, at any age. My belief is that teaching otherwise will only be to the detriment of society, and will possibly prevent the enlightenment/self-actualization of the generation.
Also, to put this in context... Laws are craftily worded. They are worded as such to give certain people power and take power away from others. How a law is used and "read" can drastically affect the people who live under it. People train to doctoral levels just in DICTION pertaining to law.In conjunction with these laws are the power players, who take greatly into account how the mass media will play the decisions. Just look at the diction of that law.....
My point is, call it what you want. You teach your kids one way or the other. If I were in Russia, I'd be on the side of the other, on this matter.
To finish, both of our countries are full of mass media propaganda. Fox News, MSNBC in the USA. CNN. Those are just the outlets. People craft what they release and how they release it to the press.
People even listen to and actually agree with and support Rush Limbaugh in my country. That should say a lot.
However, we don't ban the views of outspoken individuals in our country. It doesn't matter if they reach a lot of viewers.
BTW, the KKK is heavily under watch at all times in terms of any public events. Everyone I have ever met in America hates the KKK. We don't ban free speech. Nor do we ban the attempts of low-lives and stupid, misguided people in the KKK to distribute pamphlets and "propaganda." They have the right to distribute as much stupid nonsense as they want.
All nations rules by an elite "intellectual" group die fall. The great leaders must be chosen by the populous. They must seek the betterment of the populous. The populous must be educated. There can be no secret elite. It just doesn't work. You can't have just "the best and brightest" pick themselves.
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That Russian figure skater (male) is pretty awesome. The dedication and hard work he puts in, especially after all the surgeries is Awesome. I loved when they asked him; "What do you say to all the people who doubted you could come back."
"Thank you very much. I love those guys."
The most successful people use the negativity as fuel and motivation to do better. They use their failures as learning tools and motivation. Most people use it as an excuse to give up. He skated great as well. I'll be pulling for him for bring home gold.
Can we focus on the games and leave the political crap out of it? Start another thread for that!
"Thank you very much. I love those guys."
The most successful people use the negativity as fuel and motivation to do better. They use their failures as learning tools and motivation. Most people use it as an excuse to give up. He skated great as well. I'll be pulling for him for bring home gold.
Can we focus on the games and leave the political crap out of it? Start another thread for that!
@ Damage, who said they were boycotting the Olympics?
I agree with you. That is stupid. That's just hurting the athletes. If we, the human race, want to do something about the corruption, greed, and amoral capitalism behind the Olympics, we're going to have to do more than haphazardly boycott it in a disorganized fashion with no general message behind it other than nebulous discontent.
It's just a bunch of "rabble rabble rabble"
Also, damage, I think that the best and most dedicated people don't even necessarily have to use the negativity of the world as feul.... I think a lot of them, just like a lot of good musicians, thinkers, and artists, .... they just separate themselves from it. Focusing on GIVING something to the world rather than proving the misguided people wrong... that produces great results. The people who want to GIVE back to the world and REACH goals and INSPIRE... they bring a spirituality and purpose to their craft that no other can, in my opinion.
I wish I was more like them.
I agree with you. That is stupid. That's just hurting the athletes. If we, the human race, want to do something about the corruption, greed, and amoral capitalism behind the Olympics, we're going to have to do more than haphazardly boycott it in a disorganized fashion with no general message behind it other than nebulous discontent.
It's just a bunch of "rabble rabble rabble"
Also, damage, I think that the best and most dedicated people don't even necessarily have to use the negativity of the world as feul.... I think a lot of them, just like a lot of good musicians, thinkers, and artists, .... they just separate themselves from it. Focusing on GIVING something to the world rather than proving the misguided people wrong... that produces great results. The people who want to GIVE back to the world and REACH goals and INSPIRE... they bring a spirituality and purpose to their craft that no other can, in my opinion.
I wish I was more like them.
@TheDude
I thought i read a couple of posts saying they were not going to watch because of Russia's political views on certain issues, but as i re-read, they were saying Russia shouldn't be allowed to host.
What I'm looking forward to the most is the Men's hockey. I really like Olympic hockey despite the fact i rarely watch the NHL. I think the arena dimensions are different which opens up the game a bit. Plus i love watching rival countries play. USA should medal, but it won't be easy.
They lost to Canada in the gold medal game in OT during the last winter games. I was really into that game and pissed when we lost, although i was happy for Canada since it was being played in Vancouver and the game meant a LOT more to their fans in general as it's their national sport. I think it is anyway. Maybe it's curling. lol.
Hockey (Men's) starts the 12th.
I thought i read a couple of posts saying they were not going to watch because of Russia's political views on certain issues, but as i re-read, they were saying Russia shouldn't be allowed to host.
What I'm looking forward to the most is the Men's hockey. I really like Olympic hockey despite the fact i rarely watch the NHL. I think the arena dimensions are different which opens up the game a bit. Plus i love watching rival countries play. USA should medal, but it won't be easy.
They lost to Canada in the gold medal game in OT during the last winter games. I was really into that game and pissed when we lost, although i was happy for Canada since it was being played in Vancouver and the game meant a LOT more to their fans in general as it's their national sport. I think it is anyway. Maybe it's curling. lol.
Hockey (Men's) starts the 12th.
Oh. Yea, well, just judging from some countries reactions to those political views (the uniforms of that team from germany, for instance), it is already apparent that having Russia host the games probably just put them under the microscope more than anything else. It gave people from all over the world an arena to make a statement in, for people all over the world to watch.
Seems good to me.[DOUBLEPOST=1392000575][/DOUBLEPOST]I was watching the ski jump tonight at the crabhouse.
Fucking amazing. I would piss myself, and then probably die.
Seems good to me.[DOUBLEPOST=1392000575][/DOUBLEPOST]I was watching the ski jump tonight at the crabhouse.
Fucking amazing. I would piss myself, and then probably die.
The luge too.
The ski jump just terrifies me because of how much time they are in the air, and how fast they go. I have skied pretty steep stuff in Utah, but nothing like that. They are going like 80-95 kph
Also, watching movies of Heli drops on mtn's gives me the same feeling.[DOUBLEPOST=1392001283][/DOUBLEPOST]I must agree with Mikek that labeling the whole country as gay-bashers is stupid.
When we get to see what happens all over the world, we need to keep it in perspective. If you see a video of someone who is gay being beaten, the movement should be to find that area, the people who were involved, and deal with them. Not to bash the country.
If the issue is the law, find the lawmakers, look at the law itself, and combat it directly.
The games SHOULD be about the athletes, and the more we get into politics, the more you become a soldier in the army of the politicians, and a soldier against the athletes and the spirit of the games.[DOUBLEPOST=1392001439][/DOUBLEPOST]When does men's hockey start? Anyone else really like hockey? Never played it, never ice skated, even. But I fucking love goin to the bar and watchin hockey. And womens futbol.
The ski jump just terrifies me because of how much time they are in the air, and how fast they go. I have skied pretty steep stuff in Utah, but nothing like that. They are going like 80-95 kph
Also, watching movies of Heli drops on mtn's gives me the same feeling.[DOUBLEPOST=1392001283][/DOUBLEPOST]I must agree with Mikek that labeling the whole country as gay-bashers is stupid.
When we get to see what happens all over the world, we need to keep it in perspective. If you see a video of someone who is gay being beaten, the movement should be to find that area, the people who were involved, and deal with them. Not to bash the country.
If the issue is the law, find the lawmakers, look at the law itself, and combat it directly.
The games SHOULD be about the athletes, and the more we get into politics, the more you become a soldier in the army of the politicians, and a soldier against the athletes and the spirit of the games.[DOUBLEPOST=1392001439][/DOUBLEPOST]When does men's hockey start? Anyone else really like hockey? Never played it, never ice skated, even. But I fucking love goin to the bar and watchin hockey. And womens futbol.
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