The AVC/PwnSauce Scandal

[Gage]

it was a rhetorical question lol

 

[NickHouston]

Pwn and AVC in their new clan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9PnNW56bp0

 

[Gavin]

Do i have to answer... Im in.

Can everyone agree that Pwn is a Douchebag?

 

[The Moment]

Do i have to answer... Im in.

Can everyone agree that Pwn is a Douchebag?

There are only certain non-members that this thread applies to VaGin.

 

[AVC]

I'm also shocked that two guys that stuck around the Krew for a long time, helped Wally greatly, and gave us some good laughs and friendships would leave like this.

Err, I never left. If PwnClan had of picked up (given that the website has only been up for weeks), I probably would have resigned my position as Exec, but still stuck around. My forum activity is pretty much levelled out to what it is now, regardless. Not like it used to be, for sure, back in the day. My server activity changed back when the servers were moved, and it's all ping related, but that is a separate issue to forum activity.

To create a new Pro clan? What game? It doesn't make sense to me.

And I'm not sure where you get this Pro Clan idea from.

 

[Ethan]

And I'm not sure where you get this Pro Clan idea from.

From the original post.

Thanks to you and pwn for getting on here and stating wtf went on. While all of this sucks, it clears up the confusion. Ugh

 

[SteelHorse]

I'm still with the Krew. A1 was the first server i ever played on and i kept on coming back. Played with Gary a lot and Citychild helped me with how to get recruited (still miss that guy). Anyhow I love the Krew and everyone that is still here. Pwn and AVC as much as i think it was not a good idea to go behind Wally's back and start to make another clan no matter how justified you think you are...your just not. That's very disrespectful and i would have thought both of y'all were better than that. Besides all that i hope y'all are able to make the clan that makes y'all happy.

As for me i'm staying here. Wouldn't ever join any other clan. I just love this Krew. to all y'all ppl that are sticking around.

 

[Bambi]

Do you realize Pwn how many people here disliked you? There is a good reason for that. Maybe you should take a step back and look at yourself to understand why you conjured up all that hate while you were here. I personally thought you were a joke. Your actions didn't seem to match up with who you said you as a person. You are an adult. You are in the army. You are married. You are 35 years old. You helped shaped this clan to what it is today. But this action shows who you really are as a person. Creating a clan behind Wallys back because you didn't have the cojones to say how it felt to be in a position of lesser importance. If you weren't having fun, you should have taken a break or let someone know but you held onto what you had...for what reason? Why did you stay a whole year? Is it the desire to be in control that makes it fun for you?

This is some the shit I couldn't stand from you, and I am sure others here feel the same way. First off, for being very knowledgeable with computers and having played FPSs since at least Tribes 1, you are just...horrible at moderating. When you couldn't figure out how to temp-ban a regular who didn't speak English after kicking them twice, you perma banned them. When someone asked a question about the krew, you directed them to Alt-F4 because they had tags. The fact you are creating a clan is laughable. Have fun watching it crash and burn while you are at the helm. Second off, your personality. I've met people online who lied about who they are and I have a hard time believing who you are Pwn. You don't act like someone who has the life experience of a mid thirties married man in the army. You gave off some damn creepy vibes and with the course of action you've decided to take I just can't believe anything you say. The fact you then turned this whole thing around and basically blamed Wally for your ineptitude and reason for creating a clan behind his back (and even advertising it in the process) shows what colossal douchebag you are.

This is all under the observation of just a regular. I understand I probably shouldn't have any say in this for not knowing them personally. I never knew Pwn or AVC or really talked to them so I never said anything. I have had several reasons in the past for not wanting to join the krew and now two of the major reasons are gone. I very much disliked AVC but numero uno was Pwn. As someone outside the krew, I just could not respect anything he did. I saw him as the class clown of the krew and gave him no thought. Now I will just give him no thought.

Wally asked for a roll call. I've said only a few things over the past two years but this place is almost like family. There isn't a place I'd rather be.

Xeph, part man, part messiah - he speaks the truth.

I am obviously in. 3 years ago I think the krew's servers were the third or fourth i tried (being new to the gaming shebang and not really understanding), and have never looked back, despite ping/lag/and getting my arse kicked regularly. You guys taught me how to play, and I don't see myself choosing another place to play. I think it is important we look forward, and at the positives. Look at the awesome new people you have, as well as the old friendlies.

 

[DamageINC]

Can we maybe limit the videos, meme's , name calling etc. Just a thought. Plus, i think pretty much everything has been said.

Xepher - Great post and i hope you do decide to join.

Steel, nice post as well.

AVC talks about honor, military etc in his other post, but how is it honorable to go behind our backs and try to recruit some long time members? That's the part that really irks me. Just as low as you can get, IMO.

Wally would have bent over backwards (and does for us all) for you two or anyone else in this krew. Can you direct me to a thread where you brought up your ping issues, etc? Pm's? Anything? I suspect if problems were voiced, Wally and the other admins etc would have done their best to solve them. Of that, i have no doubt.

 

[AVC]

OK, I never recruited anyone. Ever.

I've been complaining about ping for six months. There's couple of long winded threads about it. I'm not going to go find them. It makes no difference anyway. If it would make a difference now it would have then.

If you say you would have bent over backwards then you're lying, because if that was true, you would have asked me what was going on instead of cutting me loose.

Not that the ping issues were fixable. The decision was made to make NY the new S1. I wasn't able to change that.

 

[DamageINC]

I'm lying? I never lie. Ever. I'm always straight up with everyone regardless. I had no clue about your dissatisfaction with ping other than a few complaints in shout. ( That i saw). I also hardly ever saw you during those six months. ( At least it seemed like that ) I'm not Sherlock Holmes. I never read any long winded posts about it that stated you were dissatisfied to such an extent. Obviously if i had any idea i would have said something to WaLLy or brought it up. Complaning about ping doesn't excatly lead me to equate that with, well , I'm going to resign and go elsewhere. You had the whole other side to discuss shit like this!

If you say you didn't recruit then i believe you, but i read posts made by PWN stating specific names etc. Maybe you didn't read them, i don't know , but the post specified "if we" can get so and so on board, so forgive my assumptions. I don't see how you would or could support that. But then again, maybe you didn't know and i give you the benefit of the doubt on that.

Anways, I'm done with this topic. Whats been done is done. Time to move on.

 

[WaLLy]

@PwnSauce - Let me clarify a few things for you. Every should know I am a jokester. The screencap below should show the spiderpman smiley right below :rolleyes:. But of course, you think I'm always insulting you. Quit acting like you're the victim, when in fact you're the bully. I've seen the way you treat most of our kids here (I've gotten many complaints, but of course, I always had to sugarcoat and try to make amends). It's a complete twofaceness and goes against to what you're trying to portray me as.

I don't have to blame myself for any hostile conditions here, because there are none. As far as I know, it's still a friendly environment here and we'll be rolling on like we've always have.

The Executive Group was made primarily to make sure things go smoothly whenever I decided to take a family vacation, I'm out sick, etc. Basically I needed people I could count on and would have my complete trust where I could give them the keys to the fortress. I was looking ahead and I wanted to make sure the Krew was able to continue rolling even if I wasn't here. The people I chose were of course: AVC and Damage. A few years ago (2011 ish), we'd have many cod4 battles, and what started to irk me were your accusations at some of our players. Eventually those accusations were headed my way. I didn't appreciate that mainly because I've always been upfront about my past and had nothing to hide. Those accusations started to take a toll on me and made me question your judgment. And because of that, I didn't feel you were worthy of being in the "clique" I created. I'm 100% sure that leaving you out of the clique bothered you. But I went with my guts, and here we are. Another reason for having such a small group was to avoid having to go through what D and I did last night. We took preemptive measures. Why? Because I like to prepare for the worst. There are far too many things to list on exactly what this clique does, but D can certainly vouch that it takes a lot of time and effort. You think it's easy? You're in for quite a surprise...

As for your 'pro' clan, it might not say in your current forum, but it sure as heck is on your previous SMF forum. Thank Google's cache for that...

I do appreciate the time, effort, monetary donations you provided for the Krew. But all that gets thrown out the window as soon as you pull a stunt like the one you did.

With that said, it would be best if you don't return to the Krew's forum.

Cya on the flip side...
-Wally

 

[Kessa]

Well this thread is very disheartening to read for me :c

I just want to assure the krew (and Wally) that i will forever wear my KREW tags proudly

I think there are a few, if not many, misunderstandings in these posts, and
some heated words have been thrown at one another. I'm just going to keep
my opinion to myself for now.

Wally, i want you to know that I have no intention of leaving the krew any time soon.
And i hope you, pwn, and avc can make up because you guys have been close friends
since the day i came! It'd be a shame if your friendship broke apart like this

 

[DamageINC]

I would just like to add to what Wally said. It was never personal. But i , along with Wally, got a ton of complaints about you pwn and you made many, many mistakes performing admin duties that led Wally to not trust you with everything. You have no one to blame but yourself, and why you either can't see that, or refuse to believe it is beyond me. Accountability and personal responsibility seem to be severely lacking here.

And yes, the amount of frustrating work needed to keep the servers and forum running smoothly is immense. The more i learn about things, the more i realize how much i don't know and how much work and time goes into it.

Now I think I'm done. I hope.

 

[WaLLy]

I've been complaining about ping for six months. There's couple of long winded threads about it. I'm not going to go find them. It makes no difference anyway. If it would make a difference now it would have then.

If you say you would have bent over backwards then you're lying, because if that was true, you would have asked me what was going on instead of cutting me loose.

Not that the ping issues were fixable. The decision was made to make NY the new S1. I wasn't able to change that.

I remember you complaining about ping when the server changes were made. Yep. But the Krew isn't about YOU nor I. I always look at what is best for everyone as a whole. We can't satisfy everyone but we can sure as hell make sure the majority is taken care of.

When we had to move away from Dallas, you should remember, we had an LA location as well. We couldn't put all our eggs in 1 basket, we would have gotten screwed like we did with the 1st IP change. The Executives had to make a decision on where we needed to go, and collectively, we had to come to an agreement, and this is what we got. Our current LA servers need love, I can agree to that. But there was no one to stop anyone from grabbing a few people in the shout and asking them to join an LA server. Point being, we came to an agreement and that's what we rolled with.

And to say I wouldn't have bent over backwards for you is completely false. Seeing as how Damage was the only Executive being trained, I sent a couple of PM's your way asking you whenever you had free time to let me know so that I could get you upto speed. I even went as far as to make a thread letting you know what I saw; basically most of everything still fell on my hands and I wanted that to stop. I'm not one to leave someone else high and dry. I have co-owners and I wanted them to have the exact same knowledge I had.

What D and I saw in Google's cache was to be taken serious. We felt you had betrayed the Krew, so we had to take action.

You're more than welcome to stick around...

 

[SiloHunter]

I had seen the names Pwn and AVC on gametracker stats with |JFK| Tags and I had meant to bring up to you, Walt or Dee. But I thought about the fact they were both admins and I let it slide....
Sorry for dropping the ball on that one...

 

[PwnSauce]

Do you realize Pwn how many people here disliked you? There is a good reason for that. Maybe you should take a step back and look at yourself to understand why you conjured up all that hate while you were here. I personally thought you were a joke. Your actions didn't seem to match up with who you said you as a person. You are an adult. You are in the army. You are married. You are 35 years old. You helped shaped this clan to what it is today. But this action shows who you really are as a person. Creating a clan behind Wallys back because you didn't have the cojones to say how it felt to be in a position of lesser importance. If you weren't having fun, you should have taken a break or let someone know but you held onto what you had...for what reason? Why did you stay a whole year? Is it the desire to be in control that makes it fun for you?

This is some the shit I couldn't stand from you, and I am sure others here feel the same way. First off, for being very knowledgeable with computers and having played FPSs since at least Tribes 1, you are just...horrible at moderating. When you couldn't figure out how to temp-ban a regular who didn't speak English after kicking them twice, you perma banned them. When someone asked a question about the krew, you directed them to Alt-F4 because they had tags. The fact you are creating a clan is laughable. Have fun watching it crash and burn while you are at the helm. Second off, your personality. I've met people online who lied about who they are and I have a hard time believing who you are Pwn. You don't act like someone who has the life experience of a mid thirties married man in the army. You gave off some damn creepy vibes and with the course of action you've decided to take I just can't believe anything you say. The fact you then turned this whole thing around and basically blamed Wally for your ineptitude and reason for creating a clan behind his back (and even advertising it in the process) shows what colossal douchebag you are.

This is all under the observation of just a regular. I understand I probably shouldn't have any say in this for not knowing them personally. I never knew Pwn or AVC or really talked to them so I never said anything. I have had several reasons in the past for not wanting to join the krew and now two of the major reasons are gone. I very much disliked AVC but numero uno was Pwn. As someone outside the krew, I just could not respect anything he did. I saw him as the class clown of the krew and gave him no thought. Now I will just give him no thought.

Wally asked for a roll call. I've said only a few things over the past two years but this place is almost like family. There isn't a place I'd rather be.

I think the funniest part of your post is where you say "not knowing them personally" or "never..really talked to them" yet you come up with three paragraphs of shit about why I'm such a bad person based upon no knowledge of the facts or anything about me other than casual observation once on S1 a year ago.

You also claim that "There isn't a place I'd rather be" yet you're rarely around, never bothered to become a member and never contributed anything to the group?

wow.

I'm posting this right on boingboing lol

 

[NickHouston]

I think the funniest part of your post is where you say "not knowing them personally" or "never..really talked to them" yet you come up with three paragraphs of shit about why I'm such a bad person based upon no knowledge of the facts or anything about me other than casual observation once on S1 a year ago.

You also claim that "There isn't a place I'd rather be" yet you're rarely around, never bothered to become a member and never contributed anything to the group?

wow.

I'm posting this right on boingboing lol

It is posts like this that make people not like you. Just saying.

 

[PwnSauce]

I would just like to add to what Wally said. It was never personal. But i , along with Wally, got a ton of complaints about you pwn and you made many, many mistakes performing admin duties that led Wally to not trust you with everything. You have no one to blame but yourself, and why you either can't see that, or refuse to believe it is beyond me. Accountability and personal responsibility seem to be severely lacking here.

And yes, the amount of frustrating work needed to keep the servers and forum running smoothly is immense. The more i learn about things, the more i realize how much i don't know and how much work and time goes into it.

Now I think I'm done. I hope.

That's actually a really nice post Dan and I appreciate a lot.

I'm really sorry for my past mistakes but I do think we could have worked together to resolve any issues and avoid them in the future rather than have things turn out this way.
I never even heard about complaints about me and tried to be nice to everyone but sometimes stress and anger from other sources (like fkn work!) come out in unproductive ways and I'm sorry about that.

Most of the past 3 years was a hilariously fun time to me mostly due to wally's funny ass lol.

But I'd still like to play on the servers and be in the forum as a guest if that's ok.
we can still laugh together right?

 

[Rival]

Still be on servers and forum?

:angryno: