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It's interesting to see the different viewpoints. Several of you have said that there is no evidence of a creator/god. No whether or not that is the Christian god or not, the evidence I see for his/its existence is more substantial that I feel you are giving credit. The complexity of the human body for example. I know that evolution/darwin was supposed to create this form, but it seems very far fetched that something can go from simple to so complex. Things in the world to create order out of chaos.
Also, on the origin of life/the universe: What is everyone's view there?
Also, on the origin of life/the universe: What is everyone's view there?
I don't discount the possibility of evolution, but where did the first being come from? What species did we evolve from and how did it get here?
It seems more plausible than something came from nothing (Big Bang).
Maybe I don't know, but my solution seems more reasonable than something was created from nothing.
People use "god" as an excuse for stuff they can't explain nor understand.
I am a Bible believing Christian, a Baptists to be more precise. (Not related to Westboro in any way, they aren't even Baptist or Christian...) I am not a Christian just because I grew up in Christian family. While my upbringing did have an impact on this, I have decided that this is what I believe.
I believe in the intelligently designed, young universe. Modern science, archaeology, and evolution have never, in any instance, disproved the Bible. I am not just blindly saying this. Many scientists and teachers who have merely mentioned the idea of intelligent design as having any slight factuality have been swept under the rug and lost their jobs. If you want something good to watch, check out "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" I highly recommend this.
Fossils do not prove evolution. I have found "fossilized" things just from randomly digging in my back yard. Sea shells have been found on the tops of mountains, including Mount Everest. Evolution cannot explain this.
I believe in the intelligently designed, young universe. Modern science, archaeology, and evolution have never, in any instance, disproved the Bible. I am not just blindly saying this. Many scientists and teachers who have merely mentioned the idea of intelligent design as having any slight factuality have been swept under the rug and lost their jobs. If you want something good to watch, check out "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed" I highly recommend this.
Fossils do not prove evolution. I have found "fossilized" things just from randomly digging in my back yard. Sea shells have been found on the tops of mountains, including Mount Everest. Evolution cannot explain this.
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That's exactly what I meant
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What proves God? Things that you can't understand and explain unless you believe in him/it and simply say 'he created evrything' ?
Earth is ~4.5 billion years old. The tectonic plates move away from each other, collide, grind each other creating rifts, mountains etc.
It's possible that every mountain on earth was part of the ocean floor, leaving behind fossils of ocean creatures into the rock and when the plates collide, it can create a bulge in the rock causing a mountain to form.
We can determine the age of an organic creature by measuring the amount of carbon-14 in them. Some fossils are millions / billions of years old, disproving the bible outright.
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Fossils do prove evolution, since one form of evolution is mutation and we can clearly see species mutating in the fossils.
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Carbon 14 decays at a certain rate per year and by measuring how much carbon is left in what is being tested you can estimate how old that thing is you are testing. The problem is, carbon dating is not very reliable for things that are so old. In order to get an accurate reading you need to know how much carbon 14 your test subject contained while it was still living (if organic). Its like having the equation X - Y = Z and trying to solve it without knowing X. I may be wrong on the process of carbon dating so If I am, enlighten me please.
Shifting plates explains the formation of mountains, not why sea shells have been found on top of mountains all across the world. The whole world would have had to have been submerged under water at one time for this to have happened. Creationism/World Wide Flood 1 - Evolution 0
Something evolution doesn't take into account is the Grand Canyon. Evolution states that the Colorado River carved out the Grand Canyon over the course of millions of years. But get this, the ground level at Page, Arizona, is approximately 4000 feet, but if you go 60 miles down stream (about 100 KM) the ground elevation RISES to about 6000 feet. As the Colorado River flows down stream, the ground level goes UP. Last time I checked, water doesn't flow up hill. Vast amounts of water draining away could cause this in a shorter time. Creationism/World Wide Flood 2 - Evolution 0
2 Peter 3:5-6 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"
Shifting plates explains the formation of mountains, not why sea shells have been found on top of mountains all across the world. The whole world would have had to have been submerged under water at one time for this to have happened. Creationism/World Wide Flood 1 - Evolution 0
Something evolution doesn't take into account is the Grand Canyon. Evolution states that the Colorado River carved out the Grand Canyon over the course of millions of years. But get this, the ground level at Page, Arizona, is approximately 4000 feet, but if you go 60 miles down stream (about 100 KM) the ground elevation RISES to about 6000 feet. As the Colorado River flows down stream, the ground level goes UP. Last time I checked, water doesn't flow up hill. Vast amounts of water draining away could cause this in a shorter time. Creationism/World Wide Flood 2 - Evolution 0
2 Peter 3:5-6 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:"
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According to the Bible, it states that the Earth is 6000 years old. It also states that death entered the world not until Genesis chapter three when Adam and Eve disobey God. So up until that time, neither animals nor humans died. After Adam and Eve disobeyed God is when humans and animals began to die and animals became fossilized.
So in other words, the Bible is saying that humans roamed the Earth the same time as dinosaurs did (hence all the dinosaur fossils found)...
Doesn't sound plausible to me. (Although it would be awesome if humans used dinosaurs as horses and went dinosaur-back riding)
So in other words, the Bible is saying that humans roamed the Earth the same time as dinosaurs did (hence all the dinosaur fossils found)...
Doesn't sound plausible to me. (Although it would be awesome if humans used dinosaurs as horses and went dinosaur-back riding)
Nothing in Nikons posts sounded plausible to me.
That quote says to me, those who don't believe or believe it are ignorant, and because the bible says there was a "great flood" that it must be so. Just preposterous.
All across the world? Is there evidence that Shells from extinct sea creatures etc have been found in every mountain range on earth? Tectonic plate theory is a plausible explanation of why these shells were found in the Himalayas.
That quote says to me, those who don't believe or believe it are ignorant, and because the bible says there was a "great flood" that it must be so. Just preposterous.
All across the world? Is there evidence that Shells from extinct sea creatures etc have been found in every mountain range on earth? Tectonic plate theory is a plausible explanation of why these shells were found in the Himalayas.