Good job America!

[Nikon]

It's like making it legal for all athletes to take steroids, just so they can have a chance against the ones who do.

No, its not, because those who take steroids generally get disqualified or banned from sports. Steroids have always been against the law in sports because they give an unfair advantage. Guns do not give an unfair advantage. Outlaw them and only the criminals get them. When only the criminals get them, the law abiding citizens do not have a proper way to defend themselves. And gun laws won't stop criminals from getting them because they could care less about the law, all it does is make life easier for them.

 

[Sargass]

you guys are talking about murders...how about guns accidents? how many death in one year due to gun accident? i mean compared to other countries.
Crazy people exist everywhere but if you dont give them easy acces to weapon, they are maybe gonna kill 1 or 2 people...not 28...

explosive...of course you can always build home made bombs, nails+ gaz can+mole detonator for exempl but it would be a lil more dangerous for you to made it than to buy a gun. So Korea, tell me what other mass murder weapon you can easily use to kill peoples?

Talking about unaware people who use gun...i guess most of homies who carries a gun think they are just badass cause they have a gun, and when they use it, kill a guy and realise what they did...start crying about wasted life...So badass... Thats having guts? no, thats just being an idiot imo.

 

[MikeK]

People wouldn't be able to kill sooo many people without guns..

And this pic is not so invalid, u can sum the other countries' numbers and it still will be A LOT less. Something like 10.000 : 300.

Yes crimianls will still have guns, but at least mad ppl like this one will not be able to shoot tens of kids.

Guns dont protect people, they kill ppl. If u need protection then buy a traumatic pistol.. Yes u can also shoot ppl with it but at least there's aint no way a mad idiot will shoot 30 kids with a traumatic one.

And Rival, nice title

 

[Madeinkorea]

you guys are talking about murders...how about guns accidents? how many death in one year due to gun accident? i mean compared to other countries.
Crazy people exist everywhere but if you dont give them easy acces to weapon, they are maybe gonna kill 1 or 2 people...not 28...

explosive...of course you can always build home made bombs, nails+ gaz can+mole detonator for exempl but it would be a lil more dangerous for you to made it than to buy a gun. So Korea, tell me what other mass murder weapon you can easily use to kill peoples?

Talking about unaware people who use gun...i guess most of homies who carries a gun think they are just badass cause they have a gun, and when they use it, kill a guy and realise what they did...start crying about wasted life...So badass... Thats having guts? no, thats just being an idiot imo.

Well, I guess you can consider vehicles being one of them...... I mean, look at what happened on Sep. 11

 

[Rival]

Hah. Yeah. Right...

 

[Madeinkorea]

They do protect people mike, look at it this way. Like nikon said, if criminals do obtain illegal weapons (which I think will always happen) and we're not aloud to have them, if they decide they want to kill us with them, how can we stop them? We wouldn't be allowed to protect ourselves with a weapon which would mean we're screwed.

 

[Rival]

You do realize that all the other countries with WAY less deaths by guns have laws against unregistered guns right.

All your arguments are invalid.

If you had it too your number would decrease.

 

[Freeze]

Let's just hope that Obama has a chance against the rednecks to do the right thing here.. Socialist Europe LOL

 

[Rival]

Socialist Europe my ass.

 

[Sargass]

You know you guys lives in a constant paranoia to think like that? (thanks TV news and NRA lobby) criminals obtain illegal weapons everywhere on earth...so lets arm the whole earth population and look whats gonna happend...

Here we goes 9/11 again...thats political terrorism...thats not illegal guns...and before using a plane as a mass murder weapon...U need to have what? A license...Invalid argument, get back in a few Try again?

Real Criminals...not dumb idiot who think they are the king of the hood...know how to use guns and most of time won't use it against innocents. IMO know how to use a gun dont mean "how to shoot" but "how to not pull it out" Danger is not the real criminals, but dumbasses who think they are...

Mafia(f.e) own guns...they rarely shoot at innocent, they shoot on police or on rival family. They are not dog-minded people who barks at every people standing right next to their garden, or they dont kill people for 20$ for buying crack or cause someone looked at them with a bad look...

Here in belgium, you can have rifle to hunt, you can also have guns to shoot at firing range...but you need to declare every gun you have.
And some category are illegal... as assault rifle, war weapons, etc...you can have them too but they must be disabled. (worked with a lot of old dudes who were working at FN -P90 manufacturer. They all had unfonctionnal, decorative weaps at their home.)

And to take another exemple, recently i almost had a fight with an alcoholic idiot in front of a supermarket, i almost ran into a group of three people without apologise cause i was late. They started to yell at me when i was entering the shop, then one of the guy followed me inside asked "Hey sir WTF?" i apologised to the guy and his GF then ended my shopping...The other guy was waiting me outside badly pissed of (what i can understand)...If this guy had a gun, i think i won't be there explaining that to you cause the guy had no brain and just wanted to have his revenge.

Thats the type of idiot who doesn't have the right to carry a gun imo...but the world is full of these.

 

[MikeK]

I think this dispute is pointless. Nobody will change his mind...

 

[DamageINC]

Steel, the drug cartels are armed almost exclusively with American made assault rifles. They do have a no gun law, but the government and law enforcement is so corrupted it's it's a non issue when it comes to cartels. In fact, a decent percentage work FOR the cartels. They run the show in Mexico. Law enforcement or politicians who dare take a stand usually end up killed. Cartels biggest customer? USA.

I don't think citizens having guns is any real deterrent. The more guns and bullets flying around in any given situation doesn't usually make things safer, IMO. There is no real reason for us to be able to so freely purchase assault rifles, body armor, thermal and night vision scopes, 1000's of rounds from the internet etc.

I don't think making gun ownership illegal is the answer by a long shot , but something obviously needs to be done because we can't continue down this path. Regardless of which side you're on , i don't see how anyone can say the current state of things in this country regarding gun violence is anything but out of control and becoming a major problem. But i don't think the events like this recent school shooting have really anything to do with gun law. Our mental health care system is horrible and too many times people just don't care until it's too late.

Calling Europe socialist is just plain ignorant, IMO.

I agree with what Sarg said. Having a gun makes it WAY too easy to give into a quick flash of hot rage. It only takes a second of rage to pull the trigger. I really don't buy the whole guns don't kill people, people kill people bit. Guns in abundance make it way too easy and i really can't ever buy the argument that having more firearms in a given society is a good thing.

Hunting, sport shooting, personal protection in your home is one thing. I think the notion of, well I'm armed so I'm safe is a bit naive.

 

[Madeinkorea]

The people kill people bit is true, because guns themselves cant shoot someone, it's the person holding the gun who makes that decision

 

[MikeK]

You cant blame a mad idiot.. Just cuz he's mentally handicapped , he can't think, can't make a proper choice.

But u CAN blame guns cuz he would never be able to kill tens of kids without a gun. And there's aint now way he'll be able to get a gun if the guns were forbidden.

And drug cartels dont go to schools and shoot ppl.

And kids cant 'protect themselves'.

And girls cant protect themselves either.

And almost everybody else cant do that, cuz most of u are absolutely unskilled in shooting...

 

[Freeze]

The people kill people bit is true, because guns themselves cant shoot someone, it's the person holding the gun who makes that decision

Stop being so naive, like Damage said anyone can get so filled with rage that they might just pull the trigger and hate himself for it for the rest of their life.
Really, just look at the percentage death rates of guns in America. It's not because people kill people no it's because guns make it easier for people to kill people.

 

[MikeK]

Yeah I also agree with Dee. Even a not mentally hadicaped man can pull the trigger just because of a rage shot, but he wouldn't ever do that a few minutes later..

 

[DamageINC]

I'm not against guns. In fact I'm rather fascinated about their history and workings and enjoy shooting, but obviously something needs to change.

Sometimes i think people get jaded and confuse stricter regulation with uniform government control or infringement on an, in many ways (imo) an outdated constitution.

I'm personally of the opinion that some control of firearms would contribute to bringing down the numbers murdered with firearms in the US every year. I think it would take a complete shift in how the American public views and thinks about firearms. I would gladly give up some rights on what sort of firearms i could legally own , go through a tougher purchasing process and licensing, check ups annually by law enforcement etc if it helped lower the number of gun deaths.

 

[HIBred]

Meh ..using this tragedy to bash America is just distasteful....

 

[Madeinkorea]

I agree bred^

 

[DamageINC]

Me as well. The poster in the OP is highly inflammatory and misleading. I think it's too easy to bring up and blame gun laws when something like the school shooting occurs when many other factors are at play.

Some facts:

• The United States has the highest gun ownership rate in the world — an average of 88 per 100 people. That puts it first in the world for gun ownership — and even the number two country, Yemen, has significantly fewer – 54.8 per 100 people
• But the U.S. does not have the worst firearm murder rate — that prize belongs to Honduras, El Salvador and Jamaica. In fact, the U.S. is number 28, with a rate of 2.97 per 100,000 people