How do ou jstify taking music?

Let's put it this way.

Stealing is taking the original, Piracy is making a copy.

Imagine if someone stole your car but it was still there. You neither lost nor gained anything.
 
NickHouston said:
Let's put it this way.

Stealing is taking the original, Piracy is making a copy.

Imagine if someone stole your car but it was still there. You neither lost nor gained anything.
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You didn't, but the Brand did. They lost another maybe customer. And so do the musicians.
 
They lost no money at all. That's what TD is so concerned about


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I use a really nice program called VKMusic. it's illegal but it's 100% free :D And u can find ANY song.
The problem is... the app is russian and everything is in russian, I tried to find it in English but it's not translated yet. And it downloads music from www.vk.com - a russian network. works pretty fine tho :K

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Oh and btw. iTunes music is 50 cents a song in Russia. 50% of what u have to pay :p Just saying to make u feel a bit jelly :p
 
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I'm a moderator at a small torrenting community specialising in heavy metal music. The "mission statement" of the admins has always been about introducing people to new music, the users of the site are encouraged to buy whatever they like, but of course we cannot force anyone into buying, it's their conciense as to whether they do or not. We can only guide people. I do not have a problem with buying music, except where i have bought multiple version of an album (example- Pink Floyd :the wall, i have had approx 10 copies of this album over various different formats, I think pink floyd have had a fair share of my money) Any future versions will be torrented, and in this case i think it's only fair. Smaller artists deserve the cash people.

P.S. If anyone wants the url to the community, please feel free to pm me :)
 
agree 100% mr Animal.. i have myself bought numerous iterations of my music over the years..what with all the changing of formats and meager life span of cassettes(insert old jokes). I would also site that musicians and movie stars end up with an inordinately lavish lifestyle(well some)..i will pay good money to see a great live performance mind you..I have no problem paying to see shows which i already have free entry to as well..but does Master P deserve to be a gazillionaire?i dunno about that..Record execs and major labels? Meh but i will definitely pay for independent music put out by struggling atrists making good music for the love of it..
 
TheDude said:
You realize it takes money to create music, right? As well as time, which is money, considering that career musicians don't get a salary, usually. And if what is really going on is simply that people download low bitrate music for free to find what music they like (which in the days of Spotify, Grooveshark, and Pandora seems a little unjustified), simply so when they find what they do like, they go out and buy the music at high bitrate, I'd have little to no problem with that. And when you buy music, it's really best to buy it as directly from the musician as possible. In the internet age, this is quite easy. They all have websites.

Also, consider that money has little to no material worth in itself. Stealing a 100 dollar bill would be quite similar to steal a 1 dollar bill, looking at it that way. Also consider that a lot of money has NO material value (credit, stocks, bonds).
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not really man, stealing 100$ is not the same as stealing 1$ "looking at it that way" and that cant be compared to filesharing neither. see you can download the file unlimited many times, take one away from infinity you will find u still got a infinity. re-read my comment, your not catching the drift;)
 
anal blaster said:
not really man, stealing 100$ is not the same as stealing 1$ "looking at it that way" and that cant be compared to filesharing neither. see you can download the file unlimited many times, take one away from infinity you will find u still got a infinity. re-read my comment, your not catching the drift;)
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How is it not comparable? My point was that paper in itself has very little value, but the value we as people put on it is what makes it worth something. There is no global organization who decides what something costs. People decide (the market decides). So if the market decides a piece of info or data (or music) is worth a certain amount of money, then it is. The only problem is you can take information without paying for it and not get caught, whereas if you walked into a supermarket and took a bunch of food and walked out the doors, a cop would be right after you.

If walmart wanted to sell tv's for 2 bux a pop, they could. They would just lose money, so they don't. If they did that, does that mean those tv's are worth 2 dollars? Does that mean stealing that TV is different then stealing the same TV for 100 bux at the radioshack next door? Questions questions.

When you buy a file, you are not buying the download. You are buying the rights to the file to use it (within legal limits).

When you buy a car, it is yours. However, if you invented a car, and some dude comes along, breaks your car down and copies your invention, only to make one for himself for free, you'd be kinda pissed. After all, you spent all that time inventing, testing, and perfecting it, and all he had to do was buy the parts. He didn't even ask.


Also, I'm fairly sure that if all you had to do was buy an apple from a store, and then from that point on you could distribute them at will to anyone, it would be a different story. There would be just as much freaking out about that situation. Farmers would go out of business. Skilled workers would lose their jobs. What do you think is happening with music?
 
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HIBred said:
agree 100% mr Animal.. i have myself bought numerous iterations of my music over the years..what with all the changing of formats and meager life span of cassettes(insert old jokes). I would also site that musicians and movie stars end up with an inordinately lavish lifestyle(well some)..i will pay good money to see a great live performance mind you..I have no problem paying to see shows which i already have free entry to as well..but does Master P deserve to be a gazillionaire?i dunno about that..Record execs and major labels? Meh but i will definitely pay for independent music put out by struggling atrists making good music for the love of it..
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Most musicians don't end up that way. I'd say less than 1% of actual musicians actually make over 100k a year.
 
HIBred said:
exactly...myself being one of the 99%...
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But you also have another job. Me, too. However, my friends who are just musicians who just sit in rooms and practice all day and night, only to come out to either eat or play a gig for someone, only to get paid like 50 bux plus tips......... and then if they hapen to release an album on itunes just have it illegally downloaded by tons of people......


:smh: That life kinda sucks.


That breed of musician is dying.
 
TheDude said:
But you also have another job. Me, too. However, my friends who are just musicians who just sit in rooms and practice all day and night, only to come out to either eat or play a gig for someone, only to get paid like 50 bux plus tips......... and then if they hapen to release an album on itunes just have it illegally downloaded by tons of people......


:smh: That life kinda sucks.


That breed of musician is dying.
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thats why I actully only download from piratbay, because 90% of the stuff on piratbay is rather from worldfamous artists, directors... and they have enough money already.
 
I'm so tired of the , they have enough money already so it's ok for me to steal from them argument. It's baseless and rather stupid, imo.

You are stealing a product they spend time, money and effort creating for your enjoyment, period. The rest is just a weak justification.
 
DamageINC said:
I'm so tired of the , they have enough money already so it's ok for me to steal from them argument. It's baseless and rather stupid, imo.

You are stealing a product they spend time, money and effort creating for your enjoyment, period. The rest is just a weak justification.
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I agree, but it's a similar argument to why you would pay more to buy meats from a local farmer, or produce from a local farmer. You are not giving a sale to the guy who has put time into making it cheap because you want to support the guy who doesn't have the power to do so, yet.

If I don't support an artist, I just don't download or purchase their music. I, of course, need to check out the artist before I decide whether I support them or not. But I see your point, damage.
 
DamageINC said:
I'm so tired of the , they have enough money already so it's ok for me to steal from them argument. It's baseless and rather stupid, imo.

You are stealing a product they spend time, money and effort creating for your enjoyment, period. The rest is just a weak justification.
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its not a justification or an argument that its ok to steal from them. its just that I couldnt give less of a fuck if an artist with millions doesnt get that extra money. its not like im trying to defend it in any way...
 
I don't do it anymore but when i did i didn't try to justify it, i knew it was wrong. Now I use Spotify which is like the Netflix for music, i pay 10$ a month to listen to unlimited music so im paying for what im listing to. :D
 
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