How do ou jstify taking music?

[TheDude]

How do you justify downlaoding music without paying for it? IMPORTANT: It doesn't matter (for this thread) whether it is illegal or not.

How do you justify going on a download client or torrenting hundreds of thousands of songs that you listen to every day?

I'm just wondering.


I can sa for myself:

I can't justify downloading music for free (unless it is explicitly given for free). Not for my listenning. I can justify downloading an mp3 version of a song to see if it's worth downloading the uncompressed or lossless version. (the bitrate makes a big difference.... assuming you give a shit about music). I can also see how friends giving other friends their music is cool (common sense justifies that one, people). I am a musician, and I can't see how people can justify to themselves not paying for the music they "love" yet they pay (willingly) for shit they aren't in love with (that they don't use to idenify themselves).

Take this to mind:

EVERYONE likes music. Lets get that straight. EVERYONE will tell you they love music. How special. Not only will they tell you this, but they will tell you how and why they love music more than the rest of the bunch. No matter, let's move forward. EVERYONE loves music. What does this REALLY mean?

Does it mean that everyone really listens to as much eclectic music as possible, trying to understand the whole of music and what music represents as a gestalt? NOPE. What do people really mean? Well, everyone has a different "opinion" on this. Because, like art, there is no right or wrong.




How fucking stupid is that. OF COURSE THERE IS A RIGHT AND THERE IS A WRONG

We are just not capable or ready to explain it yet (or accept it, if we could explain it).

Anyway, music permeates almost everyone's life. And do they see music as a simple part of their life? A simple uncontrolllable entity that happens to be a player in the portrait of them? NO! They identify with music. Pretty much everyone identifies with the music they like. It happens to such a degree that music has been FUCKED by stupid ass people. STUPID fuckers who like justin beiber and skrillex. Why are they stupid? IT would take pages to write, but basically it comes down to this:
It's not the music that people pay attention to. If you ask them about the music, they can't explain it. Their brains (physically, like in real life) haven't built themselves up to be able to explain wtf is going on. Music (their personal likes and dislikes) have become like a garment they wear. And it means nothing more. This is why skrillex and beiber are famous. They are garments people can wear and be proud of wearing. No one has to understand music to get that the people wearing this garment are different from them. Consumerism has ruled society. And OF COURSE, we are capitalist. What would you expect? But!

We are NOT SMART. America, for the most part, is full of dumbshits. And yes, you can assert this by the music they asociate with, that is my general point. I will not get further into this.

Anyway, my basic point is that people need to be FORCEFULLY EXPOSED to music that shakes their brain. People need to be called "idiots", "noobs" and "pieces of shit" for not understanding what is going on in Art Blakey's "Moanin'." Why? Becuase that is the only thing that promotes growth culturally. The same shit happens whether we promote it or not. If you don't like katy parry in highschool you get shunned, so you make yourself like that shit. Why should we be so nice outside of school?

Anyway, this is the basic thing of how I think about music sharing. How do you feel? I won't walk all over you. No rules, have at it.

 

[HIBred]

most of the major usenet providers have been shut down...rapidshare=useless nzbMatrix=down ,most of the newsgroups also have been shut down...
i willingly support independent musicians such as Opiuo and am more than happy to pay for his music(entire catalog cost me around 40 bucks) The major labels?..not so much but I have paid for a huge portion of my itunes library..so yah..

 

[TheDude]

Me, too. I have paid for a lot. I just wish I could meet the people who don't pay for their music so I could school them on music and then slap them multiple times.

 

[MelRose]

I choose to remove my post. Make of it what you will. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[TheDude]

Except that americans have more than almost everyone in the world, so bitching about not having a movie in america is pretty dull. Think about ppl like my girlfriend, who at 4 years old are holding up their panties by the broken elastic whilst they play in the mud with sticks as toy because they have no toys or food.

If you listen to indie music and don't pay for it, and you don't make music yourself, you are simply dead weight and part of the problem. If you have a lot of other responsibilities, then get music another way, like through people you know. Go out to free live music shows on days you have off (there are lots of free music shows, even in Baltimore ghettos).

If you can't find other ways, then you don't care enough about music in the first place, so don't steal it. I guarantee, if you got charged for every piece of music you stole, it would be a different story.

 

[Jack]

i have always bought my music, until recently, no justification, just cause i can.

 

[NickHouston]

I have bought every song I have. I have downloaded games and movies illegally in the past but eventually bought them if I saw them as worth the money.

It's the people that have the money but don't like to spend it that really get me. My friend calls me a "dumb f***ing ***hole" for buying my games/music. He justifies his illegally downloading games like this:

He illegally downloaded Crysis 2 after buying Crysis 1 and loving it. I asked him "Why don't you buy the game if you love it?" to which he replies "Because EA doesn't give enough money to Crytek. And I hate EA"

I then told him "Well now you're just hurting both Crytek and EA. And without EA, Crytek wouldn't have published Crysis in the first place"

It's still an ongoing argument about him downloading games illegally. He TRIES to justify it but can't come up with a reasonable excuse for it.

I also believe that any kind of piracy is not a huge deal unless it's a new or indie band.


http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103759/not-a-big-deal

 

[Madeinkorea]

Except that americans have more than almost everyone in the world, so bitching about not having a movie in america is pretty dull. Think about ppl like my girlfriend, who at 4 years old are holding up their panties by the broken elastic whilst they play in the mud with sticks as toy because they have no toys or food.

If you listen to indie music and don't pay for it, and you don't make music yourself, you are simply dead weight and part of the problem. If you have a lot of other responsibilities, then get music another way, like through people you know. Go out to free live music shows on days you have off (there are lots of free music shows, even in Baltimore ghettos).

If you can't find other ways, then you don't care enough about music in the first place, so don't steal it. I guarantee, if you got charged for every piece of music you stole, it would be a different story.

Some people, like myself, are musicians who love music and love playing music but don't have enough money to afford the music we would like to listen to(because I am young and therefore can't really get a job, have no drivers licence)..... As for seeing shows, there's hardly ever any free shows in Kentucky and if there is I'd like to know where. I try to buy alot of my music but doesn't always happen like that.

 

[DamageINC]

I illegally obtain music etc because i deserve it because i do my best in life? Sorry, but that's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. That's probably the mindset of every person on welfare thinking the world owes them something because they tried. Well i do my best so therefore i deserve handouts. I'm poor so it's ok for me to steal. It's this mentality that plagues our country.

I pirate a lot too but i make no excuses and am under no illusions about what I'm doing. Stealing is stealing, period. There is no real justification for it. I don't feel I'm entitled to do it simply because i can't afford something. It's my choice to make and i choose to do it.

 

[MelRose]

I think a lot of you missed my point and took what I said out of context looking for someone to jump on and give you reason to go off on tangents. I don't appreciate having what I said be called dumb, or being called dead weight. I do not have an entitled and I work hard for everything I have as I believe that's how it should be. There is a lot I want to say and would be willing to say if I believed this would stay peaceful but I see nothing good of furthering this conversation. A few people messaged me and said that they understood what I was saying- thanks for that. It's good to know that some people got what I meant and know me well enough to understand what I was trying to get at.

 

[NickHouston]

Pirating music and movies actually helps music spread. I mean think about it. How many bands do you never take a chance on buying their music out of fear of not liking them?once you listen to it and like it you tell friends about it who will buy it and tell their friends to buy it... TD please learn both sides of the argument before trashing anyone who goes against you. My friend does that so much and it really annoys me.

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How do you justify downlaoding music without paying for it? IMPORTANT: It doesn't matter (for this thread) whether it is illegal or not.
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How do you feel? I won't walk all over you. No rules, have at it.

 

[WaLLy]

Because it's AMERIKUH!!! It's written somewhere. I'm entitled to free shit, y0.

 

[TheDude]

Pirating music and movies actually helps music spread. I mean think about it. How many bands do you never take a chance on buying their music out of fear of not liking them?once you listen to it and like it you tell friends about it who will buy it and tell their friends to buy it... TD please learn both sides of the argument before trashing anyone who goes against you. My friend does that so much and it really annoys me.

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also:

I went to Berklee and have taken music business courses and production courses in Reason and ProTools. I know what I am talking about.

However, I really liked your first post. I agree with you almost whole-heartedly. I also and proud to be in the krew class with the other dude who pays for all his shit. High five, dude.

No, pirating music doesn't make music spread. Most musicians today will offer up a great deal of their stuff for free. Especially a lot of upcoming electronic producers. They will give out all their music for free on their website. Most developers and musicians who are really looking to support the music and game community end up keeping their shit open source, cheap, and easily obtainable on the market. Look at minecraft, for instance. You'd have to be a hardcore shithead not to buy that game. Or like Garry's mod. CoD 15? MB not. Not unless you played it all the time. In fact, the shit that is pirated really most of the time is popular BEFORE people start stealing it, which is why they steal it in the first place.


Damage, I also am completely filled with joy at your comment. I understand that you steal shit, but as long as you know you're doing it, that's okay. Especially in light of your opinion on people feeling entitled to the music.





Anyway, my big point is that there is a HUGE difference between sharing music for free between friends and in an open community where the license shit can be judged....

and hosting it for millions of people to download for free, against the wishes of the creator.

How do you guys feel about this distinction? And do you think it is a meaningful one?

 

[Titoezz]

I use Spotify

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I don't, and probably won't ever pay for something i can get for free, even if it requires some more work. It's just how i am.
I'll get shit for this but why would you waste something YOU earned, in this case money, on something that's available for free somewhere else.
No one would go to a pub and spend 5$ on a beer when theres a pub next to it with the same friends same looks same beer but you don't have to pay anything.

I know i'm stealing, but as long as I can decide if i actually spend money on it or not, i'll get whatever i want for free. I rather spend my money on something else, which isn't music, movies, pictures, apps or games.

Oh, and ill justify it for the sake of....justifying it..
I can personally take music, and all sorts of other stuff on the internet, because no one is stopping me.
Theres no one to stop it, only people whining. If they want people to pay for shit again, turn on yours brains and think of something. Until then i'll justify my doings with saying "because i STILL can". Bite me.

 

[DamageINC]

Took what you said out of context? What context, i read the ENTIRE post. It wasn't a reason to jump on anyone i just stated my opinion. No one was going of any tangent, that's just ridiculous. Saying different is total bs.

Why would people message you privately to back you up instead of posting here and doing it in public? Makes no sense to me.

 

[MelRose]

Took what you said out of context? What context, i read the ENTIRE post. It wasn't a reason to jump on anyone i just stated my opinion. Saying different is total bs. If you don't appreciate people reacting to what you say, don't post.

Why would people message you privately to back you up instead of posting here and doing it in public? Makes no sense to me.

I was trying to say what I wanted to say in the nicest way possible to avoid any issues, that backfired. I didn't mean it in the way you took it. When I said I deserve, I meant that everyone deserves the feeling that music and other entertainment gives to them. I meant that everyone deserves the exposure to music that they may not possibly hear in other ways without things like listening to songs on YT not uploaded by the artist/label, or having someone like you share your favorite music with them. I never tried to justify it as something that wasn't stealing. I realize it's stealing. I was talking simply about the feeling that one gets when listening to a song that speaks to them after a bad day. I think everyone deserves that feeling even if they can't afford to buy every song, especially songs they aren't familiar with.

I'm not sure why people would message me instead of posting. As you stated 'if you don't appreciate people reacting to what you say, don't post.' maybe those people don't want to deal with the reactions of their posts. I can't speak for them, I was just thanking them as it was nice that someone understood what I was trying to say.

 

[Madeinkorea]

Everyone pls calm down hno:

 

[Kreubs]

I went to Berklee and have taken music business courses and production courses in Reason and ProTools. I know what I am talking about.

From personal experience and observation, I have learned that such statements receive the harshest of rebuke when heard by actual professionals. That is, unless you actually have something to show for it.

OT: Everything under the sun is on youtube

 

[517Houston]

I pay for my games and music. If I buy a CD I do share it with my family..I also share programs when possible with my family

 

[TheDude]

While I am not a producer, I have enough experience in the world of music business to know what I am talking about, and I can back it up with work done at berklee and with teachers recommendations. I make absolutely no claim to being a professional.

TYVM

IIt was not said out of pomp, but rather out of defense for what I hold dear.

Also, I take into account the audience I am talking to, which is reasonable people who know me, so I would certainly hope they wouldn't take this as an excuse to burn me at the stake.


And yea everything is on youtube, except for a lot of music..... that people haven't heard much of. And it's usually not at high bit rate, which means even if you have an awesome sound set-up it will still sound like 320 kBps

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And what I like about damage is he always tells it how he sees it.

Don't ever change damage. That kind of up front truth is a real joy.