Russian Anti-gay-propaganda thread. Don't put in Olympics thread
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The Russian government, corrupt as it is, has the right to make legislation for their country. I don't agree with it in the slightest, but I don't see anyone up in arms about the working conditions there.
If you're gonna be mad about one thing, be mad about all of them. Anti-Gay legislation should not detract from the corrupt government. That's what needs to be fixed.
If you're gonna be mad about one thing, be mad about all of them. Anti-Gay legislation should not detract from the corrupt government. That's what needs to be fixed.
Every person has the right to be against something. But nobody has the right to abuse people because people don't like that.
Crap like this is what I am against:
Crap like this is what I am against:
I've had that guy blocked for about a month now. I wouldn't know.
I didn't call you ignorant. Just don't read articles on Russia in American tabloids because you can barely find any trustworthy info there.
As a response to other parts of your post:
1. I do NOT support this law but I wouldn't protest against it because it reflects the reality.
2. I study law at one of the two best universities in Russia. Don't explain me shit. Pliz.
3.
This does not fall under the definition of propoganda provided in the law and translated in one of my posts in the Olympics thread:
I even underlined misperceptions and equality.
4. I know that both countries are full of Mass Media propoganda. But I believe that you don't read any Russian mass media while I read both.
5. I know that KKK is under control and I didn't say it should be banned. Rather the contrary, if they want to meet it's fine as long as they don't abuse anyone. What I did say, is that banning KKK or boycotting olymplics because of one of those things I stated would be ridiculous.
@NickHouston how about bocking your mouth for a week or two?
^ Lol it's funny cause Baltic states own you all :>
Besides that Sochi Olympics ain't all bad. People outline the worst things without taking consideration that there are much of good stuff done at Sochi![:\](/smilies/erm.gif "erm :\")
And besides Olympics both countries should work through their differences and unite the gay community 
Besides that Sochi Olympics ain't all bad. People outline the worst things without taking consideration that there are much of good stuff done at Sochi
And besides Olympics both countries should work through their differences and unite the gay community 
The language you underlined is what I take issue with.
"misperceptions of social equality" ----------------- This kind of language, for instance, could be used in America to say that black and latino people are less equal under the nation, because we can prove that there are a lot more poor, homeless, blue collar, criminal...etc. black people in our nation than white people. However, it isn't true that black people are worse people. Black people were brought here as slaves, and have been discriminated against horribly for hundreds of years, and only in the last 30-40 have we made a serious civil rights movement in their favor. They got teh shitty end of the stick.
That language is quite vague, and it is designed that way to give those in power a weapon, if they want to use it. This law specifically restricts forms of speech and press which have nothing to do with public safety or national security (such as not being able to hold protests in hospitals, and not being able to share national military secrets with north korea)
My point is, who decides what is the correct perception? They say "trditional," does this mean one tradition outweighs another? It was highly acceptable to have sex with boys in ancient greece. That seems a little "traditional."
I think this comes out of our fear of a lack of accountability in the law enforcement arm of Russia. How do these people who have been abused/mistreated by the law make their stand and take back their rights? In the USA it would be quite easy.
There are gay people who get beaten in the USA just for being gay. A year ago a friends' friend was abducted in downtown baltimore, take to DC, beaten to within an inch of his life. The police were ALL over it, though.[DOUBLEPOST=1392042617][/DOUBLEPOST]If it were up to me, I would much rather have the sheep in my country blindly touting acceptance to a outrageous degree, rather than have them be touting the opposite.
"misperceptions of social equality" ----------------- This kind of language, for instance, could be used in America to say that black and latino people are less equal under the nation, because we can prove that there are a lot more poor, homeless, blue collar, criminal...etc. black people in our nation than white people. However, it isn't true that black people are worse people. Black people were brought here as slaves, and have been discriminated against horribly for hundreds of years, and only in the last 30-40 have we made a serious civil rights movement in their favor. They got teh shitty end of the stick.
That language is quite vague, and it is designed that way to give those in power a weapon, if they want to use it. This law specifically restricts forms of speech and press which have nothing to do with public safety or national security (such as not being able to hold protests in hospitals, and not being able to share national military secrets with north korea)
My point is, who decides what is the correct perception? They say "trditional," does this mean one tradition outweighs another? It was highly acceptable to have sex with boys in ancient greece. That seems a little "traditional."
I think this comes out of our fear of a lack of accountability in the law enforcement arm of Russia. How do these people who have been abused/mistreated by the law make their stand and take back their rights? In the USA it would be quite easy.
There are gay people who get beaten in the USA just for being gay. A year ago a friends' friend was abducted in downtown baltimore, take to DC, beaten to within an inch of his life. The police were ALL over it, though.[DOUBLEPOST=1392042617][/DOUBLEPOST]If it were up to me, I would much rather have the sheep in my country blindly touting acceptance to a outrageous degree, rather than have them be touting the opposite.
I get your point. It is vague. Like many other laws here.
Not that it's something you are welcome to care about, though.
"Traditional" is a matter of translation because we don't have any words like "straight" in that meaning, while "gay" might sound like an insult.
Not that it's something you are welcome to care about, though.
"Traditional" is a matter of translation because we don't have any words like "straight" in that meaning, while "gay" might sound like an insult.
If saying gay in a law might sound like an insult, the law is probably flawed. Also, if there is no way to say "homosexual" in your language without being insulting, something is wrong, man.
What does "traditional" come from? Is it referring to sex as described in your Bible? National religion is Christian, right?
If so, it's a little strange that they would in the same breath condemn "propaganda" and use the Bible as a basis for standards.
BTW, I don't read any tabloids, except stuff some friend tells me to read. I mostly listen to NPR, and they had a bit on this. They pretty much get tore a new asshole if they say anything wrong..... they even apologize days later when they pronounce something wrong on-air. I tend to trust NPR.
I'm not russian over there to whip out my sign and my forehead dildo. But I do have an opinion on the matter.
What does "traditional" come from? Is it referring to sex as described in your Bible? National religion is Christian, right?
If so, it's a little strange that they would in the same breath condemn "propaganda" and use the Bible as a basis for standards.
BTW, I don't read any tabloids, except stuff some friend tells me to read. I mostly listen to NPR, and they had a bit on this. They pretty much get tore a new asshole if they say anything wrong..... they even apologize days later when they pronounce something wrong on-air. I tend to trust NPR.
I'm not russian over there to whip out my sign and my forehead dildo. But I do have an opinion on the matter.
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Yet you constantly have an opinion on the USA and our laws, etc..[DOUBLEPOST=1392049290][/DOUBLEPOST]
Like he stated, he has you blocked so he cannot see this
^This. As an American living in another country, I know what you mean.
So many Americans seem to think that the rest of the world thinks like us, or that they should think like us. This is simply a stupid idea and is one reason why many people dislike Americans. Just because America accepts one ideal, does not mean that the rest of the world has to follow along with it too. Russia is a sovereign nation, they make their own laws for their people. If you don't like one of Russia's laws, get over it and just don't go there if it bothers you that much.
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True but we can still discuss that topic.
One news program i heard rated Putin as the most powerful man in the world right now, knocking Obama off for number one. I kinda like Russia right now.