KKK Server configuration suggestion

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Floggin

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All appologies for the long Drawn out Post for a simple Sugestion but I wanted to also Explain the cause and effect stuff to!!

I do have a request or should I say more of a suggestion for the Administration to consider about the server. Lately there has been a lot of Skippy people who do litterally run threw you. The only reason this happens is from a poor Sync with the servers operating frame rates! Every server has a Virtual game runing in memory that you the admin never actually see and it runs at a designated Frame rate. When clients do not meet that frame-rate, exceed it, or just plan have unlocked limiters that cap frames to a specified high, the server suffers lag. This lag effects everyone but mostly people with Fluxating ping which is mostly normal to see fluxuating ping, and even more to people who use frame caps like me because it helps Tweak and optimize your system. Against what the people will argue,e Unlocking and getting high frame rates isn't always good. The only time it is good is if you can hold that Frame rate with little to no fluctuation. example 60 FPS is better then 120 with 20 frames up or down of fluctuation which equals 40 frame difference, with a low of 100-140! . However when someone with a Frame-Rate that is locked in place say about 90 FPS like mine or Extremely high is better This rate is probably higher then the server operates but even if so, the same rules apply when gaming online, in comparison to the server, this even makes the server it self lag. The Lag is seen on the Client side to whoever can see the person causing the problem, not the whole server. If you have a laggy player A with player B, C, and D all of these players lag at different latencies as B, C, D, compensate at there own latency, this results in packet loss or incomplete packets. Typically Loss in Layer 3 which holds hit padding and hits/locations. you see Loss in layer 3 as a result of network buffers showing kill shots not hitting the player, because the server guesses the last shot


My suggestion with this explanation is to place a Frame Cap into the server config so that people can not exceed that rate. Optimal Rates for clients in online game servers is 60-100 Frames Per Second. However not all PC's can exceed 100 Frames, but in COD 4, 90 Frames per second should be fair. Some people have also mentioned that they do 75 Frames per second in the server. It would greatly improve game play if KKK administration Would Cap the Server Frame Rate to 70-90 Frames Per Second Currently the Frame Rate appears to be left to the clients which is a bad practice when hosting servers. yes people will Reverse the winning Streaks, but at least the game will be fair.

Now so you know the importance of this, and why many admins will Cap Frame Rates, the Cheats you can get that are technically not hacks in anyway, but can behave like hacks, use frame rate manipulation to throw off server communications. This type of Cheat is almost impossible to detect unless you know Exactly what you are looking for. how they work is either by Decreasing Frame Rate buffers and or unlocking them to make them unstable. This Cheat is able to be played with and actually be playable to others, but untrained public we see online today have no idea what it is. They surely don't' understand how to play this type of lag. CoD 4 is a Dedicated Server using the Permissible Server model. Permissible servers Demand Smooth Frame Rates, and someone with unstable Frame Rates will Screw the players who are playing against them. Because of this rule of the main focus of Permissible servers, Frame Rates are the most important piece to the model, ping is less important, and lag in ping while playing on a permissible server is a lag in shots fired, but this isn't a big deal on permissible. Permissible is a what you see is what you get model, and this is why smooth frame Rates are important!!

I know your probably thinking that I am whining, but to be honest when I am actually playing and not Screwing off, I will own most all the guys who win. Xepher717 for example is one of these Unknown cheaters taking advantage of Server Vulnerabilities such as unlocked Frame Limiters. I myself have beat Xepher in a KKK server game by 30 and higher Efficiency (Kill to death Ratio), so this is far from complaining, even a bit insulting to him due to his advantages. Shoot I virtually don't' care about winning or loosing on even Games I like. Being a fellow server administrator my goal is to help other admins help there visitors to there servers enjoy the game to the best they can, and Capping frame rates is a great way to do that.
 

Joe Momma

First Lieutenant
Former Krew Member
A lot of us (including myself) run the game at a constant 125 fps, so I'm not sure how well this will run by the guys...
 

Slaya

Sergeant
Former Krew Member
Ill base my answer off joes post since I got bored reading the whole thing, I run it at maxfps 250 but get normally around 200
 

NickHouston

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i run on s1 at 25-35 FPS. I like the cartoons because i run 100+ fps constantly.
 

Floggin

Private First Class
Which is great if you hold it. Xepher though doesnt'. Tall Signs of the fact here. In game Frames show him shooting comming around corners, but in kill cam they are not. you see when you have so much swing in frames and or lag, latency is degraded throughout the PC, and sync with the server, and you get innacurate results. Kills shots from behind on killer side or infront because of Swing. I do expect to get bashed with this, but I been gaming a long time, and I know what he is doing. Totally unlocking Frames manually is as bad as enabling hacks taht decrease hit padding. so you know what hit padding is, it is narrowing the area that a object can hit, before a hit is called.


To be honest with some of the peopel with 75 FPS, and your 120 or higher, you guys aren't gonna see teh Difference at all except taht your game will be better becuase you are on teh same frame as teh server is. I simply don't think that you know or understand how the permissible client works.

Blunt answer here is, Server compares yoru Frame to teh SErvers Frame, then calculates teh answer in the middle! think of it that way. so if everyone is on teh same Frame, you get accurate hits, with minimal lag
 

Xepher

Corporal
Former Krew Member
I just play for fun dude. I don't even know how to do anything you said in your post and your constant aggression towards me is getting on my nerves. Please stop harassing me in game and stop accusing me of things NO one else has accused me of.

I've had enough of your disingenuous accusations.
 

TheDude

Dudesicle
|K3| Member
Okey dokey, so floggin this means that you should stop givin the guy so much shit. Obv. whatever the problem is has to do with our server and other unavoidable things like the difference between pings (Xeph's being super low). So, ingame and on the forum, let's try to be more cordial to the guy, or the staff will have to view it as harassment, seeing as he has just officially complained. I know you have good intentions so it shouldn't be hard :) .
 

Floggin

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I just play for fun dude. I don't even know how to do anything you said in your post and your constant aggression towards me is getting on my nerves. Please stop harassing me in game and stop accusing me of things NO one else has accused me of.

I've had enough of your disingenuous accusations.

Xepher I know you don't understand, which is why I am posting this Suggestion to teh Server. Your taking this as a Directed problem to you like you are intentially doing something wrong. Listen you don't have to knwo how to fix it, and ultimately you don't have to care. Your not the only one with this problem. Why DO I pick on you at all, simply becasue you don't care, nor have you made an attempt. Fact being said your connection and all Is pushing me to stay away fromt eh KKK servers, which sucks because it is the only good group/server to play on. But you know if I am getting lag kills when I kill someone else it pisses me off, I don't care if I got the kill, that other player still got ripped off. Anyway stop taking this personal. I am not saying you are actually Cheating or hacking, just saying hey you have a sync problem probably caused by Irregular Frame Rates nothign more. If you are a ATI user, ATI graphics Cards sometimes unlock Frame limiters by default. whatever , capping the frame rate on the server side makes you play at a specifici rate or lower!!

This sugggestion will improve the performance of everyone, and the KKK members can stop reading people complaining about lag when they die from the same 10 people. Yeah your one of them Xepher. So what if they don't say it aloud like I do. they still complain about lag when you kill them and 9 other people regularly. When those people aren't in teh game, you rarely see them complain at all.

So anyway I am just suggesting, and there is no need to make huge conversation about this, Server should cap something in the range of 70-90, people doing more then this will not see a difference except tehre kills are more consistant to shots hit and miss, comments on lag will be minimal. permisssible clients require Frame Sync to work right.

I know I am only but one person and it doesn't matter if I am there or not, but I can say that if you do, the server performance will improve, and the guests will enjoy it more. Game play will get ubber agressive more intense, and all around better. Isn't the Assault based games so uppose to be as intense as possible? This will help push players to their limits!
 

TheDude

Dudesicle
|K3| Member
I have unstable frame rates. It'll go from 60 down to 30s. This is due to my video card. I will not be capping my frames at 30 just to keep them stable.

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Floggin, I think he views your statements as being directed at him because they ARE directed at him, and although this time you have apologized directly after giving him shit (in the same post i might add), it is not acceptable to be folliowing this guy around barking issues at him constantly. This is _precisely_ the kind of thing we do not want to see. This is the kind of thing that drives people away.

If you can help increase server performance, that is absolutely great. Please do not drive off our guests, though.

Thanks a lot for the time and effort you put into all these posts. They are very informative. I bet our admins will take them into consideration.
 

Floggin

Private First Class
You mentioned it in the server I stopped, I have accomidated teh Differences in ping and yes they apply but not so much in permissible servers. my lag and shots to him at almost a half second behine, he has 40ms lower tehn me total Lag trip is on a Server that ping matters more, .12 of a second, thats hardly 2 + characters behind on my view for kill shot. I am not strying to abnnoy him really.

We both play to chill, I kicked his but hard the way it is now, so this isn't a matter with me not being able to hang, if that means anything to him, and I am not out to make him hate or any of that. I know I am ubber aggressive. with as many None driected complaints on lag on him thoguh I do watch the kill messages, and he gets complaints alot. So when I said I would have him kicked then banned on my server, it would have been from the sheer complaints from the other night/s. I run my servers Very Agressively, but but this isn't about my opinion, not hate. Just a simple suggestion.

I host homebrew Dedicated Servers, so understand I am just tryign to aide and it appears TheDude understands this, and I am fortunate. I have faith that this is something you guys will at least look into and help the others who arenot so intune with PC configurations. and Xepher I am totally down to help you if you want it. Just keep in mind that After you are tuned properly your probably gonna loose your kills streaks and wins, because I miss you a lot simply from lattency issues on your side! hit me up if you like some tips. I honestlly feel for the people more then me, so if I can help make it better I will.
 

CiTyCHiLD

Second Lieutenant
Former Krew Member
Okay sorry but I'm a little lost. You need to explain it to me like I'm a five year old lol. What does capping your frame rate mean? I put in to console that max fps command. Are you saying that's a bad thing or something? Anyways, back to what you were saying in the thread. I think it's a good idea if it makes the server better and EVERYONE is able to play.
 

TheDude

Dudesicle
|K3| Member
I think what he is suggesting is a server side frame rate cap? Or something? If this can accomplish the increase in performance without forcing our guests to do anything differently and without kicking them, I am all for it. The only thing that isn't going to happen is us making all our guest type some command into console to limit their frames. We have enough trouble getting them not to spawncamp and be racist as it is. It's just not happenin'.
 

Grey_Fox

Sergeant
Former Krew Member
Agreed....as noble as it is to attempt to even out the playing field more, it's just not realistic in this case. And Xephyr is a genuinely good player who gave me a run for my money and I didn't notice any kinda of lag kills or anything. But then again, I do have fast internet haha.
 
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