Balcony camping, is it SC?

[felon]

Well, there were 30 people in s1, I was up on the balcony, constantly moving around, looking at the different entrances, when suddenly 517 threatens to temp ban me if I don't gtfo the balcony.

So I say that no other mod has ever had a problem, and that if they did, both me and convicted would've been permabanned long ago for balcony camping, but apparently other peoples opinions don't matter.

On this, I quote the clarification of the new spawncamping rule : With the amount of people we have on our server, you cannot expect never to get spawnkilled. In fact, you should be expecting to get spawnkilled a fair amount. It's just how the game works, whether there are actual spawncampers or not. The highest scorers on server 1, almost without exception, have learned to maximize spawnkills without necessarily spawncamping, and there is simply nothing we can do or will do about it.

This is EXACTLY what balcony camping is, you move between the two upstairs entrances, the stairs, and the two spawns below, killing anyone you see, this is NOT spawn camping, you are not sitting in one place, constantly killing spawners, you are moving around, watching multiple different places.

 

[517Houston]

felon I never threatened to temp ban you for camping on the balcony so get it right. You were spawn camping several spawn points from your position as well as other points/ 3/4 's of your kills were from the same 2 spawn points and you were in the same place so tell the whole thing

 

[felon]

did you read what i wrote? what i was doing, was EXACTLY what was clarified in the new spawn camper rule, perhaps I should put it here as well so you can read it this time:

ith the amount of people we have on our server, you cannot expect never to get spawnkilled. In fact, you should be expecting to get spawnkilled a fair amount. It's just how the game works, whether there are actual spawncampers or not. The highest scorers on server 1, almost without exception, have learned to maximize spawnkills without necessarily spawncamping, and there is simply nothing we can do or will do about it.

 

[HBeta]

I'd say it depends what someone's doing up there
there are 3 spawn points with in reach and killing those who spawn there is spawn camping.
But if you stay away in the back and kill those on the upper level and those who are in the middle of the lobby then you're not spawn camping

So I can't really vote on this b/c there's no easy answer but it's not generally forbidden to be there

 

[stevo]

I voted no its kinda hard to spawn camp on the balcony inside once you are at the edge someone is bound to shoot you and you die before anything really happens. I dunno I wasent there but ive never kick or tempban anyone on the balcony before

 

[felon]

also, i quote take on this - [02:35] TakeAway: BALCONY CAMPING IS ALLOWED WHEN YOUR NOT DIRECTLY AIMING AT THE SPAWN AND SITTING STILL

 

[TheDude]

It's too vague of a spawnkilling scenario in my opinion. What about people that move back on forth between 2 spawns spraying them with a p90? They are running, possibly between two rooms, but those people spawning don't really have a chance, no matter how good they are. I will admit balcony camping can be super lame, even though I have been know to hang around up there. People constantly try to abuse the spawn system. The highest scorers on server 1 are almost all pros at it WITHOUT making it technically considered spawncamping. In, my opinion, it's just a pain in the ass we're gonna have to deal with.

If someone is sitting on the balcony raping a single spawn as they appear, I would kick. Like beta said, it really depends what they are doing up there. I'd say with 30 people on, Felon obviously knowing the spawns, he should have backed off of them. But then, less points.......

 

[felon]

I admit, it's very lame. but i don't rape one spawn.

 

[Slaya]

If you go up there just to spawncamp it will be quite difficult. Tons of people running from the top doorways will aim right on you if your just looking down at the spawnpoints and you will die pretty damn fast especially with 30 people.

 

[felon]

exactly what Slaya said...

 

[TheDude]

Bullshit. If you wanted to, it would be easy as fuck to rape the spawns from there.

 

[PwnSauce]

I think monitoring spawn points for new spawns is SC, but I voted no because of the poor wording of the pole question.

 

[AVC]

Is it spawn camping to fire from the sniper house? Because you can see spawns from up there too.

Some players camp the balcony right near the railing so they can get a good view of the spawns, which can be viewed as spawn camping, but if they are moving back and forth and watching muliple areas then it becomes grey.

I sometimes use the balcony, but I stay up the back so I can see both doorways and then go to a different corner every so often.

There are spawns everywhere in BC, you can capitolize on them even when on the move if you know where they all are.

I wouldn't even consider using the balcony as a fire base as camping.

Back in the old days, you would spawn with a basic weapon, and pick up weapons in game (which would be found mysteriously floating and rotating in mid air). Players would gravitate towards these points to pick up the weapons. In every game there was normally a kick-ass weapon that everyone wanted because it would pwn. Some players would "camp" out these weapons and pick off players wanting the most powerful weapon. That was camping.

Singling out a spawn point and picking off players as they spawn is camping.

Hiding in a corner of a room and watching a doorway or other choke point is camping.

Hanging out in a particular area with a wide field of view picking off targets of opportunity is more sniping than camping.

 

[TheDude]

Well I would compare camping those weapons in other games to camping high traffic areas in CoD4, not to spawncamping. Spawncamping doesn't just take advantage of the map in terms of painfully obvious traffic areas. It is deliberately exploiting the spawn system of the game to minimize or completely avoid the enemy's ability to fight back, regardless of their skill. While spawnkilling cannot be avoided completely, if you spectate people on server 1, you will notice very quickly that some people manage to avoid it almost completely while others work the spawns like mules (neither party being "spawncampers").

 

[felon]

yes, camping those weapons IS camping a high traffic area, like I do on the balcony, but you would also notice that barely anyone ever wins, who doesn't rape spawns as often as possible.

 

[RikuX2]

I voted no, you have to much exposure to just camp there, its possible but only complete morons would.

 

[DamageINC]

I voted no as well. Not really much else to say since everyone else just about covered the points i would have made.

 

[Sodalover]

So what of you stay on the edge, has your iron sight up, just looking around sporadically like a Dumbass when someone spawn amd you shoot them just as you sighted them. Then you resume looking around finding more ppl to shoot at. Is THIS spawn camping to you guys

I'd say no since you have a million (exagerated: 6) ways you can be killed on the balcony. The two spawns if you are fast and accurate, the sniper house, the two entrances if you are be careful and the entrance on the floor below, and ppl can also threw bases at you from outside the balcony, which will almost always garuanteed to kill you.

Just a thought from many times camping up there.

 

[AVC]

The sniper house is a far better prospect. More targets and less chance of being spotted. But unless you spawn back there, it's hard to get to.

 

[Sodalover]

speaking of the sniper house, if you are standing on the balcony of the house on its right, is that spawn camping? im wondering because i've seen ppl camp there before and claim it wasnt sc'ing.