Bible thumper OWNED
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Wow! Now that is someone who knows the Bible...well at least the Old Testament. Much of the stuff found in the first books (a lot in Leviticus and Deuteronomy) are very controversial topics in Christianity today. Luckily, the New Testament counters some of the Old Testament's teaching, including sacrifices. Just looking at the way Jesus lived gives present day Christians practicing their faith.
I do agree that homosexuality is a sin, BUT the responding lady made a point that we all sin.... but the Bible says God loves us no matter what.
PS: Thanks for reading my small sermon-like response even if you are not a Christian or against religion
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Oh, and if you are a Christian, and you bash the others live, you are not really a Christian...just saying.
I do agree that homosexuality is a sin, BUT the responding lady made a point that we all sin.... but the Bible says God loves us no matter what.
PS: Thanks for reading my small sermon-like response even if you are not a Christian or against religion
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Oh, and if you are a Christian, and you bash the others live, you are not really a Christian...just saying.
Tell me.. Where does it say anything about Homosexuals?::
And God spoke all these words, saying: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
And God spoke all these words, saying: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
- You shall have no other gods before me.
- You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
- You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
- Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
- Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
- You shall not murder.
- You shall not commit adultery.
- You shall not steal.
- You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
- You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”
This makes me smile D. I've read it quite a few times, and it reminds me that there are actually people out there with level heads who can confront bible thumpers. I've had a few bible whatever's thrown at me before. But I overwhelmingly believe that it's okay to be me
All of the points in that reply point to ceremonial law. In the Bible, there are two classifications of law - ceremonial and moral law. The ceremonial law was put in place as a consequence of moral law. Biblically, in the New Testament time period, moral law (do's and dont's) still applies whereas the ceremonial law (ceremonies and rituals such as what to do if the law was broken e.g. any form of punishment under law), given specifically to the Jewish people, was abolished at the death of Jesus.
All of the things she refers to are of ceremonial law and were not even given to non-Jewish people. Not to mention, a great portion of her argument is also a fallacy of red herring (stating things that are not exactly relevant to the original statement in an attempt to disprove it). Her argument is invalid. Not to make it look like the responder is entirely at fault, she's not. Simply saying "the Bible says so" is not exactly the best way to completely prove a point.
I am not forcing any belief on anyone; you are entitled to your own personal beliefs. But really, neither of these people are using an argumentatively valid form of presenting their side.
All of the things she refers to are of ceremonial law and were not even given to non-Jewish people. Not to mention, a great portion of her argument is also a fallacy of red herring (stating things that are not exactly relevant to the original statement in an attempt to disprove it). Her argument is invalid. Not to make it look like the responder is entirely at fault, she's not. Simply saying "the Bible says so" is not exactly the best way to completely prove a point.
I am not forcing any belief on anyone; you are entitled to your own personal beliefs. But really, neither of these people are using an argumentatively valid form of presenting their side.
If someone want to believe in god, that's their choice.
If i get "bible thumpers" at my door, i ask them if they would like it if i tried to change their religious viewpoints, they always say that they wouldn't like it. i then ask them what the hell they are doing trying to change mine. Soon gets rid i can tell you.
If i get "bible thumpers" at my door, i ask them if they would like it if i tried to change their religious viewpoints, they always say that they wouldn't like it. i then ask them what the hell they are doing trying to change mine. Soon gets rid i can tell you.
Ethan, read the biblle, and explain to me WHY homosexuality is a sin, other than some guy wrote it was way after any of the stories were supposed to have happened.
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That's a bunch of BS. Her argument was valid. Her argument wasn't that homosexuality isn't a sin for logical biblical reasons. It was that the idea that homosexuality is a sin is just as ridiculous as any number of other things she stated that were in the bible. While your grade school classes on logic may give you ammunition for conversations like these, you are still wrong in this case. To say someone's argument is invalid, you have to first acknowledge what they are arguing. It's not the most rational argument, but it's facebook.
Also, it's not red herring. Her point is that the bible says a lot of stuff...... that doesn't mean the original person abides by those things. I agree that neither person makes an adequate argument for or against homosexuality. The second person just calls the first person stupid.
MB there is truth to your statement. I only know music. =\
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That's a bunch of BS. Her argument was valid. Her argument wasn't that homosexuality isn't a sin for logical biblical reasons. It was that the idea that homosexuality is a sin is just as ridiculous as any number of other things she stated that were in the bible. While your grade school classes on logic may give you ammunition for conversations like these, you are still wrong in this case. To say someone's argument is invalid, you have to first acknowledge what they are arguing. It's not the most rational argument, but it's facebook.
Also, it's not red herring. Her point is that the bible says a lot of stuff...... that doesn't mean the original person abides by those things. I agree that neither person makes an adequate argument for or against homosexuality. The second person just calls the first person stupid.
MB there is truth to your statement. I only know music. =\
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I'm not bashing Paige or any other homosexual in the world...I am fine with that lifestyle...let the people be!
But homosexuality is a sin, mainly because God intended for a man and a woman to get married. (This is why Adam and Eve were not Adam and Steve). :lol:
This is the main verse said by Jesus himself that I go to when people want answers not coming from the prophets(which still show us the way to live, but many do not care. which is stupid
):Matt 19:4 -And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ “and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh?’”
It clearly says a MAN and a WOMAN are to be married. Pretty much, Matt 19 is a good chapter for people wanting to know the Christian standards of marriage.
Here are some other verses which deal with homosexuality:
"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." -Leviticus 18:22
9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. -1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Genesis 19:1-29 says God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because of homosexuality. Very harsh seeming to non-Christians, but it shows that God doesn't agree with it.
I'm am half asleep at the time of posting, so hope some of this is useful. I'm not trying to be a Bible thumper or anything....just stating my beliefs.
I mean no offense to anyone; as a legit Christian, I love everyone no matter how they live their lives.
Thanks for reading this.
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If this goes further, it will just turn into a Christian vs Non-Christian brawl.
If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to PM me!
Modern religion is bloated and fake and cares more about self-enrichment at the expense of others. The definition of religion is given in the Bible:
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world. " James 1:27 People now have turned religion into a business and it's sickening. I think if true religion were actually practiced, the world would be a better place.
Here are a couple verses from the the book of Deuteronomy, written by Moses (who, btw, never entered Israel) about 3500 years ago. They prophesy of rich resources in Israel. I made some parts bold that I will talk about in a bit.
Deuteronomy 33:24 "And of Asher he said, Let Asher be blessed with children; let him be acceptable to his brethren, and let him dip his foot in oil."
Deuteronomy 32:13 "He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;"
Deuteronomy 33:19 "They shall call the people unto the mountain; there they shall offer sacrifices of righteousness: for they shall suck of the abundance of the seas, and of treasures hid in the sand."
When the Jews moved back in 1948, the land was pretty much unfarmable, but now it is one of their biggest exports.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Israel
Because Israel has long been famous for its lack of natural resources while its neighbors swim in oil, nobody could make sense of these verses. But, in the past couple years, insanely massive oil discoveries have been made. They found it deposited in sand and in shale, a crumbly rock, flinty, even. Massive pockets of natural gas were found not too far off the coast in the Mediterranean Sea, within Israel's borders.
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Israeli-Company-Promotes-Shale-Oil-and-Natural-Gas-Production-Protests-Ensue.html
Call me crazy, but I don't find that to be fiction when there is actually physical evidence to prove it.
Sorry for the super long post and thanks if you took time to read it.
and those are your beliefs.
I am a Christian because of facts, faith, feeling, and fellowship with other like minded Christians...not to mention the food and fun which comes with being active in the church and youth group!
I respect your opinion and views, Greg, but I'd rather live my live looking forward to heaven afterwards!
Wow! Now that is someone who knows the Bible...well at least the Old Testament. Much of the stuff found in the first books (a lot in Leviticus and Deuteronomy) are very controversial topics in Christianity today. Luckily, the New Testament counters some of the Old Testament's teaching, including sacrifices. Just looking at the way Jesus lived gives present day Christians practicing their faith.
I do agree that homosexuality is a sin, BUT the responding lady made a point that we all sin.... but the Bible says God loves us no matter what.
PS: Thanks for reading my small sermon-like response even if you are not a Christian or against religion
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Oh, and if you are a Christian, and you bash the others live, you are not really a Christian...just saying.
WHAT. Homosexuallity is a sin? I could have SWORN I heard you choking down some penis the other day on mumble
Joe....hahahahahahaha!!Nazis were joined by fellowship and likemindedness. Just saying.....
Also, opinions and beliefs are okay to have. They can be different. They can be yours. They can also be wrong.
You can believe anything you want. As long as you don't go telling gay people that they are going to hell, it's okay.
Also, opinions and beliefs are okay to have. They can be different. They can be yours. They can also be wrong.
You can believe anything you want. As long as you don't go telling gay people that they are going to hell, it's okay.
I think its funny that people who don't believe in religion get all annoyed when they are confronted by it, if you don't believe it it shouldn't bother you, and if it does its your own problem. let people have their beliefs just as you expect to be allowed to have your own.