Graphics Card Upgrade

Kreubs

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That's an integrated card, you need to know what graphics slot your motherboard has. I am guessing PCI-Express 1st gen
 
Nate

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Yeah sorry to say but your cpu is likely to bottleneck most new graphics cards, the BEST card out now, imo, that should run in your system would be a
HD 7750,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161403

it takes all its power from the pci e slot. no need for a new psu etc..but it may be overkill for ur setup and resolution you play at, so maybe Joe's recommendation is better.
You should think abt a ram upgrade too
 
Joe Momma

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nate said:
Yeah sorry to say but your cpu is likely to bottleneck most new graphics cards, the BEST card out now, imo, that should run in your system would be a
HD 7750,
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161403

it takes all its power from the pci e slot. no need for a new psu etc..but it may be overkill for ur setup and resolution you play at, so maybe Joe's recommendation is better.
You should think abt a ram upgrade too
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That won't work. His power supply is very weak. I already posted a link to a video card that would work for him.
 
Nate

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Joe Momma said:
That won't work. His power supply is very weak. I already posted a link to a video card that would work for him.
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I'm afraid you're mistaken, the 7750 uses a max of 43 watts, the pcie slot already gives 75watts by default. His cpu uses max 89 watts as well, so he'll have 168 watts left over for the other system components.
He'll be fine
Check out this review

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7750/24.html
 
Joe Momma

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That card requires a minimum 400w power supply. The Athlon processor in his computer isn't at all a power saving chip. That card would just kill his power supply because it would be working too hard. No use arguing with me because I know what that card needs to run and I know how much power that cheap ass gateway power supply can handle.
 
Nate

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lol this thread can easily turn into a battle between me and you on who's right lol. The 400 watt requirement is based on the fact that its a new card and would be assumed to paired up with new processors and components that use more power such as quad cores etc that use more power. AMD also overshoots psu requirements to deal with the amount of generic crappy psus out there.


Okay i wrote all that there thinking i was gonna be right, lol planned on putting his specs in a psu calculator,I did, and according to that, we're both wrong, I tested your rec and mine, the 7750 had a 4 watt diff, but both configs used more than 300 watts.

With the 6570 calculator gave 341W as the minimum psu wattage and recommended as 391W. The 7750 only added 4 watts extra
http://extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine
 
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Nate

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Damage I've seen the power requirements stated by amd. kinda spoke about that already, thought i would be right as AMD often overshoots the requirements, but the PSU calculator i used actually proved the requirements were right, the 400w that is. but the calculator also showed the 6570 used only 4 watts less
 
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Joe Momma

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nate said:
Damage I've seen the power requirements stated by amd. kinda spoke about that already, thought i would be right as AMD often overshoots the requirements, but the PSU calculator i used actually proved the requirements were right, the 400w that is. but the calculator also showed the 6570 used only 4 watts less
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Calculator isn't always accurate. Also, as I said before it is a cheap ass generic gateway power supply. Do I think the graphics card you recommended will work? Yes. Will it last long/will it keep the computer stable and free from artifacts/crashes? No, not in a million years. I picked a card really quick because I was at work. You have to understand that there is a difference in quality of power supplies. With this said here is my revised recommendation.

This http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130579

Also, there is a reason why AMD gives a little wiggle room on graphics card requirements. Try and figure out what it is, Nate.
 
Nate

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lol lol lol The calc i used gives an estimate sorry if i made it come across as something that is accurate, i stated minimum and recommend requirements from the calculator, which i assumed would show that its an estimate.
Also u probly missed it but i stated a probable reason as to why AMD gives 'wiggle' room according to you, but it often only applies to higher end cards, thats why i assumed my rec would work. But i was wrong, and i admitted it.
 
DamageINC

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I think having a crappy PSU with a card like that would also slow your PC down unless you underclocked the card or something.
 
Joe Momma

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DamageINC said:
I think having a crappy PSU with a card like that would also slow your PC down unless you underclocked the card or something.
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It would do more than slow it down. You would either see black spots all over your screen, have graphics glitches, game crashes or blue screens of death. After a while the power supply would just blow and fail which would lead to possible system failure (motherboard and everything could fry also).
 
Kreubs

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^This is true. Crappy PSU's are far overrated. If you push them anywhere near their rated limit, they just burn out. By the time you pay for all the replacement crappy ones that die (assuming your entire computer doesn't fry), you could buy a high end PSU. I have a friend who kept buying cheap PSU's and they kept frying on him over and over. The last one took out his mobo. That's what he got for not listening! lol

So, Joe is right.
 
stevo

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Would hate to say it but Nate is right lol http://www.amd.com/us/products/desk...6570/pages/amd-radeon-hd-6570-overview.aspx#3 http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-646.shtml funny both cards recommend a 400 watts PSU but only the 6570 will work??? And Nate is right both cards have 5w difference http://www.hwcompare.com/11735/radeon-hd-6570-oem-2gb-vs-radeon-hd-7750/. If you do google search on both these cards working with a 300watt psu you will find a few people who are running these in there systems. Really tho I probably wouldnt spend any money on this and invest into a better system that would be more worth your money there both low end cards and crap. It all depends how much performance you want and how much money you are willing to spend. You could buy an AM3+ board with AMD Quad CPU, DDR3 ram, PSU and a nice mid range video card for a decent price. Im curious to know what games are you planing on playing also?
 
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Kreubs

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OK, cardwise, Nate is right, but for the PSU, Joe is right because not any 300W PSU is going do the job. In my experience, stock PSU's have sucked exponentially.
 
stevo

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Didnt see joes revised choice but here power comsumption for GT 430 http://www.hwcompare.com/10411/geforce-gt-430-vs-radeon-hd-6570-oem-1gb/ takes 5 watts more power then the 7750 and 10 watts more then the 6570. If you actually google 7750 or 6570 with 300 PSU you will find many people running there system with a 300watt psu fine with these cards bottom end there are shit cards that work on a single slot with minimum power consuption theres just so much power the pci-e slot can provide either way. I even found people running it stable on 275watts PSU. Like I said tho you might evnen be better investing in a faster system and get a better Video Card for your money
 
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