kurt rosenwinkel or Tommy Emmanuell
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what is this nonsense?
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Tommy Emmanuell or kurt rosenwinkel... hmm maybe Tommy Emmanuell??
hold on. Do any of you guys actually listen to kurt rosenwinkel? Have you ever HEARD kurt rosenwinkel? Tommy emmanuel plays blues guitar with his fingers. He can play chords to solo with....KINDA. The FIRST thing most guitarists learn how to do is play blues, and I am not even talking complex blues. Tommy Emmanuel plays no such thing. While you may THINK he is the best out there, I can assure you that there are guitarists better than both kurt rosenwinkeil AND tommy. The fact that tommy emmanuel is so famous doesn't mean that he is the best. Slash is famous as shit, but even I could tear him a new asshole on guitar, and I am NOT very good AT ALL. Everything tommy emmanuel plays goes back to a big fat open G or E or C or D. EASY AS FUCK, in terms of serious musicality. I dig tommy emmanuel a lot, but i am not going to be so disillusioned as to think he is the best, or that he is better than kurt.
i wanna say my post was not meant to trash tommy emmanuell. He is a GREAT blues and folk guitar player. What he does I think is what all players of rock and blues (and such) should be aiming at. He obviously does not fall into the same trap that a lot of guitar players who play in similar styles that are somewhat less demanding than other styles. A lot of blues/rock/pop/country (and sometimes even metal) guitar players work only as hard as is necessary to make believable and acceptable music in those less demanding styles.
I see it firsthand every day, going to Berklee College of Music (notorious in the music community for catering to slackers). These musicians (mostly guitar players) are disciples of the "How good do I NEED to be so that people will like what I play, or so I can call myself a musician?" way of thinking, or the "How can I get good ENOUGH to please the majority of people?" way of thinking. These people tend to play a lot of other people's licks and write songs that sound a shit ton like everyone else's. They basically do what has been done, and done well (receiving positive reactions from an audience), and do not venture out to test or approach their limits or the limits of their music. There are musicians of all genres who have this mentality; many play jazz as well.
The other mindset I see is one based on self improvement. "How good can I get?" "What other sounds are out there that I don't know yet?" "How can I improve on what has been done, and how can I use what has been done to improve myself?" Tommy Emmanuell seems to have more of this mindset. My favorite musicians have this mindset. If you aren't playing music FOR the music, then you can hear it. Coltrane remains one of the (if not THE) figurehead of this way of thinking. Kurt Rosenwinkel approaches music with this mindset. He IS better at guitar than Tommy Emmanuell, but you don't have to like kurt more.
I personally hate Malmsteen for the reason that he seems to follow the first mindset I explained. He got REALLY good at guitar. He got good enough to be able to legitimately think he was the shit. Then he stopped. He stioll plays exactly what he was playing YEARS ago, and hasn't improved on it at all. He has probably gotten worse. For me, his music sounds exactly like this personality. It's a guy on stage who is playing shit which has the purpose of making you know he's the shit. It has never come across to me that he is putting his soul into making music, or even good music. He wants the persona, and he wants it to be legit, so he got just that good. For this reason, there are going to be many greater technical guitar players than Malmsteen.
Tommy seems to actually care about his music, and I would say this makes him a better guitar player than malmsteen. Kurt Rosenwinkel is better, and probably has put more hours into music, than Tommy Emmanuel.
I see it firsthand every day, going to Berklee College of Music (notorious in the music community for catering to slackers). These musicians (mostly guitar players) are disciples of the "How good do I NEED to be so that people will like what I play, or so I can call myself a musician?" way of thinking, or the "How can I get good ENOUGH to please the majority of people?" way of thinking. These people tend to play a lot of other people's licks and write songs that sound a shit ton like everyone else's. They basically do what has been done, and done well (receiving positive reactions from an audience), and do not venture out to test or approach their limits or the limits of their music. There are musicians of all genres who have this mentality; many play jazz as well.
The other mindset I see is one based on self improvement. "How good can I get?" "What other sounds are out there that I don't know yet?" "How can I improve on what has been done, and how can I use what has been done to improve myself?" Tommy Emmanuell seems to have more of this mindset. My favorite musicians have this mindset. If you aren't playing music FOR the music, then you can hear it. Coltrane remains one of the (if not THE) figurehead of this way of thinking. Kurt Rosenwinkel approaches music with this mindset. He IS better at guitar than Tommy Emmanuell, but you don't have to like kurt more.
I personally hate Malmsteen for the reason that he seems to follow the first mindset I explained. He got REALLY good at guitar. He got good enough to be able to legitimately think he was the shit. Then he stopped. He stioll plays exactly what he was playing YEARS ago, and hasn't improved on it at all. He has probably gotten worse. For me, his music sounds exactly like this personality. It's a guy on stage who is playing shit which has the purpose of making you know he's the shit. It has never come across to me that he is putting his soul into making music, or even good music. He wants the persona, and he wants it to be legit, so he got just that good. For this reason, there are going to be many greater technical guitar players than Malmsteen.
Tommy seems to actually care about his music, and I would say this makes him a better guitar player than malmsteen. Kurt Rosenwinkel is better, and probably has put more hours into music, than Tommy Emmanuel.
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I don't judge guitar players really on their technical ability. Music to me is about feeling and passion. If someone can take you to another place through their music, someplace you can't go anyway else, that's what it's all about IMO. I don't give a rats ass if they are doing it playing two chords or 80 trillion notes a second. I would hate to always be judging a player on his technical merits. Would ruin a lot of music for me.
never heard of either of them ...lol
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Tommy Emmanuel is alot more "livelier" than the other guy. The other dude was boring
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Tommy Emmanuel is alot more "livelier" than the other guy. The other dude was boring
Well i think he's great technically, but his music has no soul. It's quite boring to listen. It's like a drag racer that just goes in a straight line at 1000 mph. At first it's impressive, but the becomes boring and unchanging.
dude. Just because you don't get it, doesn't mean it's boring. In fact, his playing is EXTREMELY melodic at times. Many times he is NOT playing over a shitload of chords. It is very easy to listen to tommy emmanuel and get it, because his music is ALL blues based, so everything pretty much relates around the same 3 chords. For me, there is MUCH MUCH more energy in the jazz that I listen to than in tommy emmanuels playing. For me, Tommy is boring. No matter how fast he can shred blues, its the same shit. Kurt rosenwinkel puts all of his soul into his music. I have been to multiple clinics of his. I listen to music all the fkin time. Kurt's remains deeply interesting, motivating, and soulful for me. And while he is good technically, that's not really his thing. He can't pick faster than metal guitarists and shit. Technique is the shredders thing. That's why i think they have no soul. They play the same 3 notes over and over as fast as they can (obviously they play more, this is just an example). I can tell you for a fact that kurt rosenwinkel can sing everything he is playing. You ask a metal player to sing what jazz sounds like and they make sounds like someone is dialing a phone. THATS NOT WHAT IT IS. that's a fact.
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Please stop telling me that my music is soulless, or that it is only based on technique. You have obviously never actually dug deep into the music of jazz. I have tried to, and continue to try to, delve into as many different styles of music as I can. I dig some metal. Like I said, John Petrucci is the fkin man. Hendrix had tons of soul, even though he was sloppy as shit. Just because you like some genre of music, it doesn't mean that it is better or more soulful than the ones that I like. Jazz used to be pop music, so there is something about it that people like, or can like, if you spent time trying to find it.
John Coltrane once said this:
"I don't care what a cat plays. If you're into music, there'll be something you hear in that musician that you might like. One note, one sound, that you might like."
I think people should lean toward approaching music more in this fashion.
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Please stop telling me that my music is soulless, or that it is only based on technique. You have obviously never actually dug deep into the music of jazz. I have tried to, and continue to try to, delve into as many different styles of music as I can. I dig some metal. Like I said, John Petrucci is the fkin man. Hendrix had tons of soul, even though he was sloppy as shit. Just because you like some genre of music, it doesn't mean that it is better or more soulful than the ones that I like. Jazz used to be pop music, so there is something about it that people like, or can like, if you spent time trying to find it.
John Coltrane once said this:
"I don't care what a cat plays. If you're into music, there'll be something you hear in that musician that you might like. One note, one sound, that you might like."
I think people should lean toward approaching music more in this fashion.
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