Clinton or Trump??
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I'm honestly thinking about voting for ISIS.
At least they admit to what they do, are usually truthful, and know they are crazy.
The only downside to them vs Clinton or Trump is the "Murder all Americans" thing...
At least they admit to what they do, are usually truthful, and know they are crazy.
The only downside to them vs Clinton or Trump is the "Murder all Americans" thing...
The only reason to support Clinton is to see her opponent.
This is also the only reason to support Trump.
I live in a state where no matter what I vote, the republican candidate will win.
That being said, BUILD A WALL.
#Trump2016
That being said, BUILD A WALL.
#Trump2016
What does that mean?
I'm a conservative, but there is no way Trump can get my vote, and no way Clinton gets it either. Both are atrocious in different ways. Trump lies all the time, has no factual understanding of foreign policy (I don't know a lot about foreign policy, but I know more than a possible commander in chief?? I ain't voting for that.) He also has no backbone and is like trying to nail jello to the wall. Hillary says the stupidest lies, has done some sickening stuff (laughing whilst talking about rapist), and wants to get us into more wars.
What really ticks me off is the people that think two party system is the only way to go. They set up these false dilemmas like Hillary v. Trump and that's it. These people don't seem to understand that in a two party system, one party can die or be reformed into a new one. The Republican party came out of the Whig party because the whig's were not getting it done!!! The same can, and should happen here.
I'm not even 18 lol, so it doesn't really matter what my opinion is.
All I know is that I could not with a good conscience vote for Trump or Hillary.
P.S. I'm not a Bernie Bro.
What really ticks me off is the people that think two party system is the only way to go. They set up these false dilemmas like Hillary v. Trump and that's it. These people don't seem to understand that in a two party system, one party can die or be reformed into a new one. The Republican party came out of the Whig party because the whig's were not getting it done!!! The same can, and should happen here.
I'm not even 18 lol, so it doesn't really matter what my opinion is.
All I know is that I could not with a good conscience vote for Trump or Hillary.
P.S. I'm not a Bernie Bro.
Ahh a Tump bashing website I see. Well either way I would vote Trump any day over Hitlary, as least he's honest in what he says and she is just completely corrupt, our only two options we have is him or her, and I would shoot myself in the face before voting for her.
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For one, if you were conservative you would vote Trump before Clinton for sure, but as you said your not 18 so it doesn't matter anyways, but people like you that wouldn't go vote is why the system is the way it is. Also, you said that Trump lies all the time, give some examples?, and that you know more about foreign policy than Trump does?, this guy has businesses that deal with foreign policy all the time. And Trump doesn't have a backbone?, wtf do you mean by that he's the only one out there that is defending what he says.
I don't know what "your" policy is for voting for the best one, yea Trump ain't the best out there and we'll never have someone perfect, at least in your eyes, but no way I would waste a vote on another Clinton and the same of bullshit we've had over the past 7 years, at least with Trump there will be change Mr Bernie bro
Ahh a Tump bashing website I see. Well either way I would vote Trump any day over Hitlary, as least he's honest in what he says and she is just completely corrupt, our only two options we have is him or her, and I would shoot myself in the face before voting for her.
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For one, if you were conservative you would vote Trump before Clinton for sure, but as you said your not 18 so it doesn't matter anyways, but people like you that wouldn't go vote is why the system is the way it is. Also, you said that Trump lies all the time, give some examples?, and that you know more about foreign policy than Trump does?, this guy has businesses that deal with foreign policy all the time. And Trump doesn't have a backbone?, wtf do you mean by that he's the only one out there that is defending what he says.
I don't know what "your" policy is for voting for the best one, yea Trump ain't the best out there and we'll never have someone perfect, at least in your eyes, but no way I would waste a vote on another Clinton and the same of bullshit we've had over the past 7 years, at least with Trump there will be change Mr Bernie bro
First of all, let me just say that if I was 18 I would most definitely vote. I'm not a stay at home and crab about politics and then do nothing kind of person.
Examples of Trump Lying
-He says he's a free trader. (Free traders don't like trade taxes) However, he simultaneously suggested a 45% tax on Chinese trade. Free trade my butt. Oh and then in a debate he lied about what he previously said.
-He claims he's a Christian. As you may know, a key tenet of Christianity is acknowledgement of need for a Savior, and that works can't save. Trump when asked about his faith, said, "I don't like to have to ask for forgiveness, and I am good...I don't try to bring God into the picture, I don't." When asked to name a verse in the Bible that he liked, he responded by saying that it was "too personal". WAT? Sounds like someone hasn't read the Bible enough to have a favorite verse.
-He claims he is conservative. Most of his positions are in fact liberal. He claimed he wanted universal health care funded by the government and higher taxes on the wealth. He supported the policy that gave half a billion dollars of government funding to Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood praised him.
-He claims to be pro-life. You know how Trump's supposed to nominate all these "great" Supreme Court Justices? Well he said his sister would be a great supreme court justice. His sister who supports partial birth abortion, something that many Democrats don't even support.
-He said that Syrian Christians can't be refugees in the U.S.A, but muslims refugees can. This is false. Refugee laws don't discriminate based on religion.
-He said the trade deficit with Japan was over 100 billion. It is 69 billion.
-He said healthcare premiums are going up over 35% on avg. They aren't. The average is 5.8%. He just makes up his numbers on the spot.
-He says he self funds his campaign but he received over 7 million from donors before he was the nominee.
-"Everybody likes me" <--- This one is pretty common. Everyone? Really?
-"We're winning with the Hispanics" A Washington Post-Univision poll says 80% of hispanics dislike him.
-He claimed he owned a winery 100%. Turns out his son Eric owns it and it has no legal ties to Trump or Trump Organization.
I could go on but I'm getting tired. Here's a website with a few of his mistruths. It's not by any means comprehensive, but it's a start.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien
His ignorance in foreign policy...
His businesses have filed for bankruptcy 4 times, putting hordes of workers out of business while he gains money. He thought that the supreme court is an investigative branch. He didn't understand the current affairs in Ukraine. He gets his military advice from morning shows. He honestly thinks that he can make another country pay for a gigantic wall? Does he have any idea what it would cost? At least 25 billion and 750 million a year in upkeep and service. He didn't know if Ukraine was in NATO or not. He got around it by saying he didn't care if it was or not.
His backbone...
He doesn't have a backbone. Real strong men can take criticism and insults. Mr. Trump can't. He is inflammatory and has a thin skin. He got stuck in an elevator at an event. The fire marshal at the event got the elevator unstuck safely. A few minutes later, and he was bashing the same fire marshal who just saved him and called him an idiot because the marshal was obeying fire codes. (The marshal wouldn't let any more people into the building because it breaks fire laws). He insulted John McCain by claiming he wasn't a "hero". McCain endured torture and heroically refused to be traded until his fellow POWs were released. Trump insulted and mocked a disabled reporter and made fun of the position of his mangled hand. He got out of the military draft during Vietnam era by claiming a bum foot. He later said he couldn't remember which foot was bad. He said he endured his own personal Vietnam because of STD's that he managed to not contract. He needed to have a sign on his Chicago building that went against city policy. He hired and underpaid illegal immigrants to work on his buildings, even though he thinks they shouldn't be here. Adrian Smith the architect of his Chicago tower is one of the greatest in the world. He also designed the Burj Khalifa in Dubai, and he is extremely knowledgeable with expertise in structural engineering as well as architecture. Trump said "I had more to do with the design than Adrian Smith. The best thing that happened to Adrian Smith was Donald Trump." Smith was very successful before Trump commissioned his tower. All in all, he's like that kid at the playground that has to have the last work.
On Clinton...
Hillary is just as sick, she's just sneakier. I wouldn't vote for her either, so don't get me wrong. If I could vote, I would vote for someone that I believe in. We don't have to sit on our hands and cry "2 party system".
P.S. I'm really not a Bernie Bro.
P.S.S. I'm heading to college in a couple weeks tho, and free college would be nice lol.
Yea, you got some good points for sure and I want to apologize for some of the stuff I said, I vented and shouldn't have taken it out you, sorry man. I'm just tired of the MSM always bashing Trump and Hilary getting away with anything, I also didn't mean that you supported Bernie you brought that up I had to say something lol.
The way I see it, it's going to be one or the other and Hillary would destroy this country, what's left of it IMO, just like Bernie would if he got voted in. Socialism doesn't work look at Venezuela, but worse off now than just a few years ago. Yeah I know the price of oil dropping like a rock has much to do with it, but people are starving in the streets and even killing zoo animals to have something to eat.
Also about free college, yeah sounds like a good idea but remember you get what you (I mean the tax payers) pay for
The way I see it, it's going to be one or the other and Hillary would destroy this country, what's left of it IMO, just like Bernie would if he got voted in. Socialism doesn't work look at Venezuela, but worse off now than just a few years ago. Yeah I know the price of oil dropping like a rock has much to do with it, but people are starving in the streets and even killing zoo animals to have something to eat.
Also about free college, yeah sounds like a good idea but remember you get what you (I mean the tax payers) pay for
Comrade Vladimir and Comrade Donald
It is a dark night in New York, a city that knows how to keep its secrets. But on the top floor of Trump Tower, one man sits in solitude, tweeting out life’s painful truths. Donald Trump, billionaire.
Far below, a black limousine pulls up at the rear entrance in an unlighted, narrow alley. A lone figure in dark glasses, a black trench coat and an even blacker fedora alights with the agility of a seasoned athlete. He is quickly admitted.
Dashing up the many flights, he is ushered into the billionaire’s presence. He takes off his hat but not his glasses. The billionaire gives him a big hug:
The Donald. Comrade Vlad, glad to see you made it! Terrific! A real honor for me. Huge honor. Terrific!! You came all the way here just to chat! How did you get here?
Vlad. Comrade Donald, how are you? No problem getting here. I parachuted into Central Park from one of our biggest bombers. Great fun! Of course American radar was unable to see us. It is the same junk used for the “anti-missile” systems. And I will take a commercial airliner home. I only have to get past the TSA. And they don’t even look at you unless you are a disabled grandmother.
The Donald. I knew that antimissile stuff was junk. We are being totally ripped off by the Military Industrial Complex. That pisses me off. That is going to end soon – very soon. Very, very soon.
Vlad. Cheez, Comrade Donald, I appreciate that you are a man of peace, but with you the bottom line is always such a big deal.
The Donald. A penny saved is a penny earned, Vlad.
Do you know who hacked into the DNC and gave those emails to Assange?
Vlad. We do not know. We do not do that, as you know. No interference in the elections of other countries; we dot like it when the US does it to us, and we have no intention of doing it to others. But we have a hunch who did the hacking – though we cannot be sure. It is the DNC itself! They hacked themselves, then accused me of doing it. The idea was to make it look like I was interfering to help you. We do not do that, as I said.
It is really dirty business that DNC gang has been up to. Never saw anything like it – not even from Nuland and her poodle Poroshenko.
Likewise Hillary’s gang did everything they could to destroy Bernie. Too bad he turned out to be so weak. I can understand his supporters’ fury at his betrayal of them.
The Donald. Too bad. Bernie had some good things to say. But the system is rigged. He never had a chance, because he was not tough – except with his supporters.
Do you have any more information on ISIS?
Vlad. It remains the same. Hillary’s faction in your government continues to support ISIS through your allies. And your government is spending a bundle on that project.
The Donald. I should have known that. Killing innocents over there, including Americans – and she has us paying for it. A waste of life – and a colossal waste of money.
Vlad. Cheez, Donald, you always keep your eye on the money. Sometimes I have nightmares about the first trade deal I will negotiate with you next year. I am afraid you will negotiate the shirt off my back.
The Donald. Better an exchange of money than an exchange of nukes, Vlad. We agree on that.
But I would like to get through the general election spending as little on TV as I did in the primaries. Almost nothing! I wish I could pull off such a low cost operation with the golf courses.
Vlad. Comrade Donald, I am afraid that the New York Times knows that we are discussing a future structure of peace between our countries, our new detente. They are going all out to stop it.
The Donald. Don’t worry about it. They have less and less influence – only among the crowd that blindly follows the New Yorker and NPR. Very few people actually, and their number is plummeting. The media’s crazed attacks on me -and you- have undercut their credibility even further.
The public editor of the Times wrote a piece just the other day complaining that the paper is out of touch with all but a small segment of the American public. This is news to the writers at the Times, believe it or not.
The fall of the NYT began with their front-page lies about WMD to get us into the Iraq invasion, and it has ended with their relentless, wild attacks on me. Those attacks may prove their Waterlooo. Their very business might be threatened. In fact news came today that the profits of the Times are falling sharply. Of course my son in law may be able to pick up the pieces and become owner of the paper – at bargain rates, I might add.
Vlad. One more thing. We have word of an assassination plot against you. You better wear that red hat we gave you all the time. The hat looks ridiculous, but you can only do so much with a steel lining.
The neocons are ready with the snipers that they used in The Maidan. Vicious guys.
The Donald. Well you know what they say, Vlad. You cannot walk in fear if you want to accomplish things.
And I have one more favor to ask of you. Do you know who has the 30,000 missing emails of Hillary’s?
Vlad. We do not know. But our best information is that Mossad has them. Perhaps you should offer a reward for them.
The Donald. Not on your life. I do not want to spend the money.
Good night Comrade Vlad.
Vlad. Good night. Comrade Donald.
(He mutters under his breath as he leaves for the darkness of the night.)
He is certainly a great man of peace – but cheez, what a cheapskate.
Endnote: Thanks to Guy Noir for inspiring the opening paragraph.
by:JOHN V. WALSH
Prof. John V. Walsh, MD, can be reached at john.endwar@gmail.com. He usually does not include his title in a little bio like this, but in this case the political essay above involved a bit about science. can be reached atJohn.Endwar@gmail.com
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It is a dark night in New York, a city that knows how to keep its secrets. But on the top floor of Trump Tower, one man sits in solitude, tweeting out life’s painful truths. Donald Trump, billionaire.
Far below, a black limousine pulls up at the rear entrance in an unlighted, narrow alley. A lone figure in dark glasses, a black trench coat and an even blacker fedora alights with the agility of a seasoned athlete. He is quickly admitted.
Dashing up the many flights, he is ushered into the billionaire’s presence. He takes off his hat but not his glasses. The billionaire gives him a big hug:
The Donald. Comrade Vlad, glad to see you made it! Terrific! A real honor for me. Huge honor. Terrific!! You came all the way here just to chat! How did you get here?
Vlad. Comrade Donald, how are you? No problem getting here. I parachuted into Central Park from one of our biggest bombers. Great fun! Of course American radar was unable to see us. It is the same junk used for the “anti-missile” systems. And I will take a commercial airliner home. I only have to get past the TSA. And they don’t even look at you unless you are a disabled grandmother.
The Donald. I knew that antimissile stuff was junk. We are being totally ripped off by the Military Industrial Complex. That pisses me off. That is going to end soon – very soon. Very, very soon.
Vlad. Cheez, Comrade Donald, I appreciate that you are a man of peace, but with you the bottom line is always such a big deal.
The Donald. A penny saved is a penny earned, Vlad.
Do you know who hacked into the DNC and gave those emails to Assange?
Vlad. We do not know. We do not do that, as you know. No interference in the elections of other countries; we dot like it when the US does it to us, and we have no intention of doing it to others. But we have a hunch who did the hacking – though we cannot be sure. It is the DNC itself! They hacked themselves, then accused me of doing it. The idea was to make it look like I was interfering to help you. We do not do that, as I said.
It is really dirty business that DNC gang has been up to. Never saw anything like it – not even from Nuland and her poodle Poroshenko.
Likewise Hillary’s gang did everything they could to destroy Bernie. Too bad he turned out to be so weak. I can understand his supporters’ fury at his betrayal of them.
The Donald. Too bad. Bernie had some good things to say. But the system is rigged. He never had a chance, because he was not tough – except with his supporters.
Do you have any more information on ISIS?
Vlad. It remains the same. Hillary’s faction in your government continues to support ISIS through your allies. And your government is spending a bundle on that project.
The Donald. I should have known that. Killing innocents over there, including Americans – and she has us paying for it. A waste of life – and a colossal waste of money.
Vlad. Cheez, Donald, you always keep your eye on the money. Sometimes I have nightmares about the first trade deal I will negotiate with you next year. I am afraid you will negotiate the shirt off my back.
The Donald. Better an exchange of money than an exchange of nukes, Vlad. We agree on that.
But I would like to get through the general election spending as little on TV as I did in the primaries. Almost nothing! I wish I could pull off such a low cost operation with the golf courses.
Vlad. Comrade Donald, I am afraid that the New York Times knows that we are discussing a future structure of peace between our countries, our new detente. They are going all out to stop it.
The Donald. Don’t worry about it. They have less and less influence – only among the crowd that blindly follows the New Yorker and NPR. Very few people actually, and their number is plummeting. The media’s crazed attacks on me -and you- have undercut their credibility even further.
The public editor of the Times wrote a piece just the other day complaining that the paper is out of touch with all but a small segment of the American public. This is news to the writers at the Times, believe it or not.
The fall of the NYT began with their front-page lies about WMD to get us into the Iraq invasion, and it has ended with their relentless, wild attacks on me. Those attacks may prove their Waterlooo. Their very business might be threatened. In fact news came today that the profits of the Times are falling sharply. Of course my son in law may be able to pick up the pieces and become owner of the paper – at bargain rates, I might add.
Vlad. One more thing. We have word of an assassination plot against you. You better wear that red hat we gave you all the time. The hat looks ridiculous, but you can only do so much with a steel lining.
The neocons are ready with the snipers that they used in The Maidan. Vicious guys.
The Donald. Well you know what they say, Vlad. You cannot walk in fear if you want to accomplish things.
And I have one more favor to ask of you. Do you know who has the 30,000 missing emails of Hillary’s?
Vlad. We do not know. But our best information is that Mossad has them. Perhaps you should offer a reward for them.
The Donald. Not on your life. I do not want to spend the money.
Good night Comrade Vlad.
Vlad. Good night. Comrade Donald.
(He mutters under his breath as he leaves for the darkness of the night.)
He is certainly a great man of peace – but cheez, what a cheapskate.
Endnote: Thanks to Guy Noir for inspiring the opening paragraph.
by:JOHN V. WALSH
Prof. John V. Walsh, MD, can be reached at john.endwar@gmail.com. He usually does not include his title in a little bio like this, but in this case the political essay above involved a bit about science. can be reached atJohn.Endwar@gmail.com
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